[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Samonadreau]

^ thats a shame.

[Moneyhands23]

If I had a womb Janko would get free rent in it...just sayn...

[Samonadreau]

Gaudreau-Monahan-Jagr
Bennett-Backlund-Frolik
Tkachuk-Jankowski-Versteeg
Stajan/Ferland-Lazar/Stajan-Ferland/Brouwer

-Tkachuk can take the extra 4 shifts a night on the top line that makes the difference between Jagr's 16 minutes and Johny and Sean's 19-20.
- Lines are balanced
- Speed is injected into the 4th line
- Bennett gets to work on his game with Backs
- Can try Versteeg, Ferland and Lazar on RW with Janko

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by AC

If scoring in the slot was so easy, you'd think more players would choose to do it.

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What's most irritating is it was pretty unanimously acknowledged by fans, media, and the team that he played above most of the team including the regulars over camp, yet is sent packing.

Sort of defeats the purpose of a training camp, doesn't it? They finally get that standout they were hoping for and yet a GM as smart and capable at Treliving cant find a way to shuffle guys (some of them barely useful) to make one spot on his roster.

Pretty bad. The other kids probably look and see that well if Jankowski can't make it the way he's playing right now, what the hell kind of chance do I have?

Sets a poor example.

Honestly just two awesome, fantastic posts nearly back to back. Both exactly right.

For Monahan. I completely understand why people would view him potentially negatively, but that skill level to convert and put pucks in the net at the NHL level the way he does, and the nose for the net, and the absolutely ridiculous clutch factor- a lot can be forgiven because just about no players are capable of those types of features.

Honestly, if in some incredible future Calgary is playing for a Stanley Cup again and it’s game 6 or 7 overtime who do we think is going to be the biggest threat and possibly bring the Cup to Calgary? On this roster it is Monahan.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Gaudreau-Monahan-Jagr
Bennett-Backlund-Frolik
Tkachuk-Jankowski-Versteeg
Stajan/Ferland-Lazar/Stajan-Ferland/Brouwer

-Tkachuk can take the extra 4 shifts a night on the top line that makes the difference between Jagr's 16 minutes and Johny and Sean's 19-20.
- Lines are balanced
- Speed is injected into the 4th line
- Bennett gets to work on his game with Backs
- Can try Versteeg, Ferland and Lazar on RW with Janko

Tkachuk is a great young player but flip flopping wings within a game isn't a good idea for a kid learning, probably good for a couple bench minors as well

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by AC

If scoring in the slot was so easy, you'd think more players would choose to do it.

I really feel that people who think Monahan scores easy tap in goals have never played hockey before.

Monahan's instincts in the offensive zone are elite. There is a reason he seems to score goals so easily.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I really feel that people who think Monahan scores easy tap in goals have never played hockey before.

Monahan's instincts in the offensive zone are elite. There is a reason he seems to score goals so easily.

Isn't that the rub. It's easy to point and say "anyone could have scored that", but look around the league. Most guys can't even get to that spot let alone finish. 31 teams would kill to get Monahan, I'm glad we have him.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I really feel that people who think Monahan scores easy tap in goals have never played hockey before.

Monahan's instincts in the offensive zone are elite. There is a reason he seems to score goals so easily.

While this is true I don’t think that people should be surprised at criticism. There are a lot of ways he could improve too.

[Love]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I really feel that people who think Monahan scores easy tap in goals have never played hockey before.

Monahan's instincts in the offensive zone are elite. There is a reason he seems to score goals so easily.

The point is if remains the player he has been for the last few years, he will always be reliant on his linemates setting him up for success. He is unable to create anything on his own, and 3 years after his draft and he still skates in molasses. Scary traits for your #1 center.

Honestly I believe BT should try and go all in. Monahan + d prospect + ? for a signed Tavares. And trade Bennett for Galchenyuk or Reinhart because he baldly needs a change of scenery at this point. We'd finally get our franchise elite center, and a skilled winger to put on RW (as Galch/Reinhart are both comfortable RW'ers). Also call Janko up, and replace Bart with Kulak.

Gaudreau - Tavares - Reinhart/Galchenyuk
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Jankowski - Jagr
Versteeg - Stajan/Lazar - Brouwer

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

Smith
Lack

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Love

All four of those were powerplay goals with him just sitting in the slot

Originally Posted by Love

I don't know who said it was easy, but it definitely wasn't me

Really? With all due respect you might not have used the word "easy" in your first post but when you dismiss it as "just sitting" in the slot" you're making it seem that way. There was no other way to read that post.

Originally Posted by Love

. He is unable to create anything on his own, and 3 years after his draft and he still skates in molasses.

Like this recent goal?
https://youtu.be/Igu5gtnqDD4?t=3m53s

This is why calgaryblood hinted that those who say he just "goes to the slot" haven't really played the game before. To put it bluntly getting there just isn't that f'n easy.

The slot isn't some open area that once a player skates to he's allowed free reign over. Monahan is constantly reading the ice, reading the play, seeing what his teammates and the opposing players are doing, he's a high IQ hockey player. Finding those openings, finding those gaps.

Goal on the 19th vs Hurricanes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=vaPCm62x4SI
Monahan isn't just sitting around waiting to be found "in the slot". Chips the puck along the boards to keep the play going, instead of just skating aimlessly he takes two strides away from the covering defencemen giving himself enough room, he moves towards the puck carrier and the play on the left side of the ice and when the puck comes to him he's always ready. Snaps it off with his deadly shot and it's in.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Tkachuk is a great young player but flip flopping wings within a game isn't a good idea for a kid learning, probably good for a couple bench minors as well

Tkachuk has played a ton of RW before and it gives him some Top line Ozone play

[Jeff Lebowski]

Watching Bennett's highlights the amazing thing to notice is that he doesn't lose confidence. He keeps attacking hard. Such a determined player- he does everything.

But Jankowski thread so he's good too!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Love

The point is if remains the player he has been for the last few years, he will always be reliant on his linemates setting him up for success. He is unable to create anything on his own, and 3 years after his draft and he still skates in molasses. Scary traits for your #1 center.

Honestly I believe BT should try and go all in. Monahan + d prospect + ? for a signed Tavares. And trade Bennett for Galchenyuk or Reinhart because he baldly needs a change of scenery at this point. We'd finally get our franchise elite center, and a skilled winger to put on RW (as Galch/Reinhart are both comfortable RW'ers). Also call Janko up, and replace Bart with Kulak.

Gaudreau - Tavares - Reinhart/Galchenyuk
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Jankowski - Jagr
Versteeg - Stajan/Lazar - Brouwer

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

Smith
Lack

So we would trade a 60-70 point center who is on a good contract for the next 6 years for a 65-75 point center who will cost 2-4 million dollars more a year for the next 6 years and is 4 years older? And we would have to add to that deal?

I know you really do not like PPG Monahan this year and would rather have 0.4 PPG Tavares, but that deal is all kinds of bad.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I really feel that people who think Monahan scores easy tap in goals have never played hockey before.

Monahan's instincts in the offensive zone are elite. There is a reason he seems to score goals so easily.

I can't remember which game it was, (Kings I think) but he got a feed through the slot with a bunch of bodies; His stick gets lifted at the second the puck arrives, but somehow he still gets his stick down to take the shot to score the goal.

nm JFK just posted that link.

[puckedoff]

Time to send Freddie down and bring up Janko - not to replace Freddie as 13th man but to join the cycle and have Lazar/Glass/Janko/Versteeg splitting games. Tkachuk to first line and bennett with Backlund. Do it.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

We all know the good of Treliving but this situation makes him look extremely poor right now, he can no longer stand in front of this teams propects and tell them to "earn" a spot on this team.

Ffs just waive Hamilton or Lazar,(nobody will claim either) Call up Janko and stop this disaster called ...Bennett playing center

Why would you waive Lazar before Glass, Stajan, or Brouwer?

Lazar likely gets claimed and it is not worth losing a 22 year old when we have several 30+ plugs to waive.

Agree to get Janko up here but at the expense of one of our older guys or Hamilton but not Lazar imo.

[Love]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So we would trade a 60-70 point center who is on a good contract for the next 6 years for a 65-75 point center who will cost 2-4 million dollars more a year for the next 6 years and is 4 years older? And we would have to add to that deal?

I know you're trying your best to manipulate those arbitrary numbers you have selected, but at the end of the day Monahan isn't in Tavares' stratosphere. He is superior to Monahan in every facet besides height and weight. Better goal scorer, better passer, better skater, better hands, better on the cycle. The stats, eye test and analytics all back it up.

When you have to ability to acquire a franchise C (because lord knows we'll never draft top 3) you have to jump on it. Now it sounds like I am dumping on Monahan, which I really am not trying to. I love the kid and he was the first youthful bright spot on this team in a very long which is why Flames fans hold him so dear to their hearts, but he's not a cup caliber 1C. I'm sorry, but to win a cup we'll need one of those.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Love

I know you're trying your best to manipulate those arbitrary numbers you have selected, but at the end of the day Monahan isn't in Tavares' stratosphere. He is superior to Monahan in every facet besides height and weight. Better goal scorer, better passer, better skater, better hands, better on the cycle. The stats, eye test and analytics all back it up.

When you have to ability to acquire a franchise C (because lord knows we'll never draft top 3) you have to jump on it. Now it sounds like I am dumping on Monahan, which I really am not trying to. I love the kid and he was the first youthful bright spot on this team in a very long which is why Flames fans hold him so dear to their hearts, but he's not a cup caliber 1C. I'm sorry, but to win a cup we'll need one of those.

I don't know if you understand how the cap works. The Flames have Monahan on a value second contract. It appears likely that he will outperform his 6.375 million per season for the next 6 years.

Tavares will likely cost between 9 and 11 million a year for 7 years. It is unlikely that he would outperform that contract.

And on top of that you are suggesting that we add a defensive prospect and something else to that deal.

[Flamefan1]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why would you waive Lazar before Glass, Stajan, or Brouwer?

Lazar likely gets claimed and it is not worth losing a 22 year old when we have several 30+ plugs to waive.

Agree to get Janko up here but at the expense of one of our older guys or Hamilton but not Lazar imo.

Very. Good points Vinny. We should put put F Hamilton on waivers asap and bring up Jankowski. Jankowski should replace Staj in the line-up most games and play winger the other games. Lazar should also be in the line-up most nights meaning Glass or Versteeg take turns sitting to make room. Kulak needs to replace Bartkowski who did not look good for most of the Carolina game.

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So we would trade a 60-70 point center who is on a good contract for the next 6 years for a 65-75 point center who will cost 2-4 million dollars more a year for the next 6 years and is 4 years older? And we would have to add to that deal?

I know you really do not like PPG Monahan this year and would rather have 0.4 PPG Tavares, but that deal is all kinds of bad.

It's not all about points. JT is an amazing all around player. I wouldn't be an air chair GM to make this trade. I'd get JT as a playoff rental at the deadline if you have elite status of winning the cup. That's not us. Only way we should consider getting JT is through FA with no asset cost.