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Strange Brew · 10-13-2017, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Its good that actual GMs show more patience than some of the Armchair GMs on here.

Agreed. Way to soon to give up on Eichel and trade him for a prospect.

Poe969 · 10-13-2017, 07:50 AM

I definitely wouldn't move him this season unless it was a mind-blowingly awesome trade for the Flames. I would gauge his value in the off season and see what offers are out there. If we can upgrade in one or two other spots it would have to at least be considered.

CliffFletcher · 10-13-2017, 08:05 AM

To the concerns about selling low - if he doesn't show progression, Bennett's value will be even lower in a couple years. Ryan Stome - another 5OA pick - was worth more a couple years ago than he got this summer.

I'm not saying Bennett will bust. But the notion that there's nothing to lose by hanging onto him simply isn't true.

CroFlames · 10-13-2017, 08:21 AM

Of course, anyone is tradeable.

Trading him now would not be a wise move because you won't get the value. He's a young, promising center with grit, on a great contract. There aren't too many of those floating about.

Flames fans were spoiled with how Monahan's development was steady improvement game by game and season by season. I think they now expect all high draft picks to follow suit.

I'm seeing really good things from Bennett this season, like his tenacity, skating and positioning, and I think its a matter of time before the points start to come.

Vinny01 · 10-13-2017, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I love Bennett but Brady Tkachuk would be awesome

If the Flames could move Bennett for a top 3 pick in order to get Brady Tkachuk next year that would be ideal but Bennett will have to play amazing for his value to be worth the pick and if he plays amazing why trade him at all?

kyuss275 · 10-13-2017, 08:27 AM

Wouldn't explore trading him now, but there is a chance that Tre has to go down that road in a year or 2. Lots of variables going forward to see who stays with the core team:

Does Bennet play well enough this year that flames don't have to cave into Backlunds contract demands ( that is if there are any)?

If Backlund gets re-signed, how much is left for Bennett, if Bennett has a break out season in the next 2 years?

Where does Janko fit in all of this?

ect......

Also i see posters saying just throw him on the wing? It certainly would not be left wing with Johnny and Tkachuk already there. Can Bennet even be comfortable playing right wing?

Huntingwhale · 10-13-2017, 08:35 AM

The Flames literally waited 20 years to have the center depth they do now. Finally there is solid center depth on lines 1-4, with Jankowski waiting his turn in the minors. While Bennett might not have had the success we'd all hoped for at this point, he's a good option at #3C and is still ONLY 20. When Backlund was in his early 20s he was quite underwhelming. Plenty of talk of trading him. Now could you even imagine where the Flames would be without him? Likely not trending upward as much like they are now.

Right now, bennett as the #3C is a good thing. I see it as us having 2 other centers who are even better. So what if Bennett can't force himself into a top 6 roll? Why is this seen as a bad thing? Just because a player who everyone thinks should be playing on a higher line isn't, doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. If anything, it's a testament to the depth the Flames have.

I certainly wouldn't trade him for a winger. Is the need for a top 6 RW there? Yes. But to me it's being completely overblown as an issue. The Flames mobile and offensive D more than makes up for it. Trading away Bennett for a winger leaves a hole at C. A hole this franchise has struggled to fill for 20 years. Yes Jankowski is ready to step in. No, it's not a guarantee he succeeds (although it's highly likely).

Having said all that, I have no issue with Bennett playing on the wing if Jankowski joins the team at some point. However the team seems set on having Bennett finding success at center, and I agree with that. Maybe he doesn't break out big this season, and maybe not next. But I am certain that one year, he most definitely will, and it will coincide with the Flames going on a huge epic run.

TheOnlyBilko · 10-13-2017, 09:48 AM

When we drafted Bennett the guy I really wanted was Sam Reinhart so I'd definitely flip Bennett for Reinhart

jonkaupp · 10-13-2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

You know who else you could have said this about at the start of his career? Mark Scheifele. Trading Sam Bennett now would be a huge mistake.

This assumes that Sam Bennett is going to become Mark Scheifele which is a huuuuuge assumption. I’m not at all saying that it’s time to give up on him, expectations should probably be dampened however. My post was in response to the silly MacKinnon/Eichel thing. This notion that Bennett is untouchable is ridiculous. If a GM offers something of value for Bennett then I think it’s definitely needs to be looked at because he has under performed thus far in his career. Most likely you hold onto him and hope he continues a Backlund arc. Or you try him on the wing ala Draisaitl and see if the offense comes then.

JerryUnderscore · 10-13-2017, 09:53 AM

I might be willing to entertain a Bennett for Tarasenko trade but I'm still really high on Bennett.

I think the way to go is to keep him at centre this season and have Janko play wing while he's getting adjusted to the NHL level. If Bennett has another down year, then move him to the wing and give Jankowski that 3C spot.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
Jankowski - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Bennett - Jagr
Versteeg - Stajan - Lazar

I would absolutely love that lineup. (Yes, it breaks up the 3M line. I'm aware.)

DionTheDman · 10-13-2017, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by memphusk

Trading Bennett without giving him a solid chance with top line players would be Ludacris.

There's only one Ludacris, and Sam Bennett is pretty far from it.

Gaudfather · 10-13-2017, 09:56 AM

Why in the world would the Flames consider trading the highest draft pick in recent years when they have invested two plus years in his development and he is nowhere near his true value as an impact player.

Maybe this discussion could be had when Bennett is 24 or 25, but I bet by then he will be such an important piece on this team that most would just want to keep him.

Treliving has said 100 times that in today's NHL you can never be too deep at the center position.

JerryUnderscore · 10-13-2017, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gaudfather

why in the world would the flames consider trading the highest draft pick in recent years ever when they have invested two plus years in his development and he is nowhere near his true value as an impact player.

Maybe this discussion could be had when bennett is 24 or 25, but i bet by then he will be such an important piece on this team that most would just want to keep him.

Treliving has said 100 times that in today's nhl you can never be too deep at the center position.

fyp

TheOnlyBilko · 10-13-2017, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

fyp

Flames have had the 2nd overall pick 2 times when the franchise was young

ClubFlames · 10-13-2017, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

I might be willing to entertain a Bennett for Tarasenko trade but I'm still really high on Bennett.

Haha might? Flames make that trade every single day and twice on Sunday and (insert IKEA start the car gif)

Tarasenko is an elite player, the kind of player we all hope Bennett can maybe turn into (35g - 70points) on average type of player. Plus he solves our RW depth issues.

Either you value Bennett too much or undervalue Tarasenko, I can't figure out which is it.

Angelino · 10-13-2017, 10:12 AM

Can you imagine Bennett on Anaheim as a 60 point guy every year. That would make me sick. Hold on to him and give him good linemates and eventually he will turn it around. If not he can become the next Matt Stajan.

If he is traded hopefully nowhere within the conference...

JerryUnderscore · 10-13-2017, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

Flames have had the 2nd overall pick 2 times when the franchise was young

Upon further research, you're right. The first two years in Atlanta the Flames drafts 2nd overall.

Bennett is the high draft pick in Calgary Flames history.

JerryUnderscore · 10-13-2017, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Haha might? Flames make that trade every single day and twice on Sunday and (insert IKEA start the car gif)

Tarasenko is an elite player, the kind of player we all hope Bennett can maybe turn into (35g - 70points) on average type of player. Plus he solves our RW depth issues.

Either you value Bennett too much or undervalue Tarasenko, I can't figure out which is it.

I probably value Bennett too much.

I really like Tarasenko, but he's five years older than Bennett. And considering the trajectory of the league I wonder if Tarasenko's contract will continue to look good when he's 29-30? Maybe? But I could also see it hamstringing them.

Either at centre or on the wing I believe Bennett will develop into a really solid long term piece for us.

cam_wmh · 10-13-2017, 10:37 AM

Summer of 2019 is critical to the Flames.

Ferland is a UFA, and Bennett, Tkachuk are RFA's, without significant salary departing.

I think a 19/20 $80m cap is a reasonable estimation. With Backlund's salary increase, likely eating up Stajan's exiting contract, the only contract that allows the room needed to sign those 3 young 'core' pieces, is everyone's favourite - Brouwer.

This is a huge year for him and the Flames. Hopefully capture some neutral (positive?) value from him, and then shed ourselves of him next summer.

Alternatively, it may be a liquidation conversation, as that cap space will be sorely needed in Brouwer's final year, and Treliving may have to fall on his sword.

mrdonkey · 10-13-2017, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Summer of 2019 is critical to the Flames.

Ferland is a UFA, and Bennett, Tkachuk are RFA's, without significant salary departing.

I think a 19/20 $80m cap is a reasonable estimation. With Backlund's salary increase, likely eating up Stajan's exiting contract, the only contract that allows the room needed to sign those 3 young 'core' pieces, is everyone's favourite - Brouwer.

This is a huge year for him and the Flames. Hopefully capture some neutral (positive?) value from him, and then shed ourselves of him next summer.

Alternatively, it may be a liquidation conversation, as that cap space will be sorely needed in Brouwer's final year, and Treliving may have to fall on his sword.

My money is on Brouwer getting bought out that summer.