Las Vegas Shooting: 50+ Dead 500+ Injured at Jason Aldean Concert

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

That article is pretty bad IMO.

Why does he keep callimg him a psychopath? Do we know if he was?

I don't think Town Hall.com would lead us astray, would you?

Biography

Steve Sheldon is a conservative writer and speaker, an avid gun enthusiast and outdoorsman. After a dozen years in the investment business, Steve spent the last fifteen years working for organizations in the conservative movement, promoting liberty, free markets, gun rights and conservation. Steve holds a bachelor’s degree in Business, a black belt in karate, and a Parachutist Badge to name a few. He resides in the Midwest with his wife and three children.

[calgaryblood]

Yeah, thought so. Terrible article and points all around.

[Dogbert]

Oh look, Bruce Dowbiggin is still a butthead.

I'd tell him to stick to hockey, but it isn't like he ever had a clue about that either.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Minnie

In seriousness, though, there are plenty of regulatory and criminal measures that could be taken, which should be obvious in light of the fact that the United States is the only country in the developed world where a crime like this is actually possible, nay, easy to commit.

[Displaced Flames fan]

1. Gun Crimes punishable with life imprisonment without the chance of parole.
2. Automatic weapons and any device that can be used to make a semi-automatic perform similar to an automatic is illegal. Possession of such items, in operable status or not, is punishable by life imprisonment without the chance of parole.

This solves a huge chunk of gun violence in America eventually. Unfortunately, nobody seems to care about anything except mass shootings when it comes to gun violence. There will still be shootings, but they will gradually decrease with these types of laws.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

1. Gun Crimes punishable with life imprisonment without the chance of parole.
2. Automatic weapons and any device that can be used to make a semi-automatic perform similar to an automatic is illegal. Possession of such items, in operable status or not, is punishable by life imprisonment without the chance of parole.

This solves a huge chunk of gun violence in America eventually. Unfortunately, nobody seems to care about anything except mass shootings when it comes to gun violence. There will still be shootings, but they will gradually decrease with these types of laws.

1. This has not worked with the "war on drugs". And gun crimes is a much too broad statement.

2. Most gun violence occurs in major metropolitan areas and hand guns are used. Most are semi auto and fired as such.

Solving a huge chunk of gun violence starts with an all out ban on handguns.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by New Era

@driveway

Some real good ideas here, but some comments as someone with a little insight into gun ownership and the gun culture in the US.

1. Repeal 2nd amendment

That just isn't possible. Just too many gun owners who vote, and too powerful lobbies that protect those rights. You'd have a better chance of repealing the constitution itself. I think the better approach is to more clearly define the 2nd amendment and remove all interpretation from the clause. More clearly define what is an arm, and more importantly, what is in support of the militia. A clearer understanding of the amendment would go a long way to establishing law to regulate weapons.

2. Ban all firearms which are not shotguns or hunting rifles. A hunting rifle being defined as a rifles which have an English or straight stock, and are semi automatic only.

What does a stock have to do with anything? Is the AR frame really that scary? Some people prefer the adjustable nature of the AR stock and the flexibility it allows in finding a better location in the shoulder pocket and more comfortable cheek weld. Some people like the extras you can attach to the hand guard or rail, making for a better grip on the weapon. You've really lost me here, and I think gun enthusiasts will be especially torqued. I don't think the stock has any impact on the killing power of a weapon and is clear over-reach in trying to establish a standard.

I think the very last thing you mentioned should be the controlling factor. Restrictions should be placed on the action of the weapon. Semi-automatics can be just as dangerous as a full auto in the hands of a well trained individual. Full auto, or spray and pray, has no function in civilian applications. Semi-auto also provides no value more than convenience and add to the ability to get more rounds down range quicker. I would say that civilian weapons should be restricted to a single shot bolt action, requiring a physical cycling of weapon rather than a mechanical cycle. This would greatly limit the number of rounds that could be put down range.

3. Ban magazines which hold more than 8 cartridges.

Don't disagree, but why 8? Most civilian weapons should be used for hunting or self-defense. With proper pistol training you should be putting three shots center mass when you draw that weapon. So three rounds is probably all you need. Maybe make it six for kicks at the cat. For a long gun, three or four rounds seems more than reasonable. For a civilian application, one-shot-one-kill should be the mantra and how people should be trained.

4. Ban bump stocks or any modification designed to increase fire rate or magazine capacity.

If you restrict civilian long rifles to bolt action all of these issues go away.

5. Require a license to purchase a weapon, licenses require 96 hours of lessons. License requires re-training every 4 years.

I agree with this, but 96 hours is crazy. What are you going to do in 96 hours? That's 12 full days of training, or 32 evening classes. Unless you're trying to use this as a deterrent to gun ownership I don't think this is wise.

6. Obtaining a firearms license is considered the holder permanently waiving their right to have their person or property searched without a warrant. This condition is for life, even if the firearms license lapses.

Not just no, but hell no. That is quite the slippery slope you're establishing there. Even suggesting this would guarantee the failure of any legislation trying to put in place common sense restrictions on firearms. You're demanding that people give up their basic human rights so they can be afforded another. That is a big no.

7. Maximum ownership of 4 firearms per license.

Why? I can understand the desire to limit firearms and prevent the build up of armories, but this is again extreme. To me, guns are tools. You use a specific weapon for a specific purpose. Certain game requires a certain caliber to bring down. Depending on your hunting habits, that could be multiple weapons right there. I am also a big believer in having a redundant backup weapon for each one you own, so that also has to come into play and be considered in a count. I think 4 weapons is again, extreme. Then again, if you go to a bolt action restriction, it would change an individual's personal protection need to a long gun, a shot gun, a full pistol, and a conceal pistol, so four would be manageable. Maybe restrict to four types of weapons, but then allow for redundancy to 8 total weapons.

8. Ban the production, sale, and ownership of empty cartridges, gunpowder, and bullets. (Ban do-it-yourself ammunition).

Why? I'm not a reloader myself, but I know lots of people who are because they save money and get a better product. Why would this restriction have any traction in changing gun ownership or responsibility? Seems almost counter to what the goal.

9. Limit ammunition purchases per license to 250 per year. Additional purchases are allowed if an equivalent number of spent casings are returned.

Again, why? What's it matter if someone is sitting on 100,000 rounds? Its their money, its their space they eat up, its their choice. If there is a restriction on action and magazine size, what does it matter how many rounds an individual may possess?

10. Limit the number of firearms dealers to 2 per county.

This is a silly restriction. Considering the size of some counties in the US, this is just not practical. In Arizona alone there are three counties the size of Taiwan, or larger. Do you think it makes any sense to have that type of restriction? That is also counter to pretty much everything America stands for, as most gun shops are small businesses and business owners.

11. Weapons must be stored locked, separate from ammunition. Owners must submit to two random inspections per year by ATF. Inspections can happen anytime 24/7.

What you're suggesting is ATF becoming the Gestapo and having the right to storm in and inspect your papers. This is exactly why Americans are against a gun registry, simply because they don't believe they can trust their government and that they will over step their authority. I think there should be restrictions on the storage of weapons and ammunition, and I think people should be checked for compliance. But there has to be some type of system that is not quite so draconian.

12. Buyback/amnesty program for currently owned weapons.

This is always a good idea, but where does the money come from? What is the benefit and what is the penalty? IS a tax break or credit a better idea?

13. No weapons qualify for ‘grandfather’ status.

Completely agree. Grandfather clauses have always rubbed me the wrong way. I hate people that get exceptions for some goofy reason. All should comply.

The question wasn't based in reality, in reality the US will for the foreseeable future accept 30,000+ dead, some of whom will die in increasingly horrendous mass shootings, as the price for their bizarre obsession with guns.
No one thinks that's about to change soon, I personally think that the numbers are tipping away from gun ownership but I don't expect anything to happen in my lifetime.

No one is suggesting though arguments about how the US could fix this problem are based in reality, they aren't these are all hypothetical answers based on the idea Americans grew a pair became less scared of their darker colored fellow citizens which is what this has always been about.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

1. This has not worked with the "war on drugs". And gun crimes is a much too broad statement.

2. Most gun violence occurs in major metropolitan areas and hand guns are used. Most are semi auto and fired as such.

Solving a huge chunk of gun violence starts with an all out ban on handguns.

Since when are drug crimes punishable by life sentences?

Obviously "Gun Crimes" would have to be defined. I didn't think I had to write a Congress worthy bill to present an idea.

Again, the perception is that you're punishing law abiding citizens and denying them their right to self-defense with a hand gun ban. Not saying I agree with that notion, but it's a non-starter. You have to find solutions that don't infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens to gain mass support for initiatives.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Since when are drug crimes punishable by life sentences?

Long breath...



Since the war on drugs began in the Reagan era and disproportionately sent black males to prison in alarming numbers, which also led to the rising popularity of for profit prisons and indentured servitude of (mostly) black inmates.



Americans need to know this stuff.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by icecube

Long breath...



Since the war on drugs began in the Reagan era and disproportionately sent black males to prison in alarming numbers, which also led to the rising popularity of for profit prisons and indentured servitude of (mostly) black inmates.



Americans need to know this stuff.

All drug crimes do not carry life sentences. Not even close.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Oh look, Bruce Dowbiggin is still a butthead.

I'd tell him to stick to hockey, but it isn't like he ever had a clue about that either.

why oh why did I click that...damn you dogbert

[FireGilbert]

Would a travel ban on retired white men help?

Trump Proposes Travel Ban On Retirees Who Want To Shoot 600 People For No Reason

In a knee-jerk reaction to the supposed lack of motive behind the recent Las Vegas shooting, President Trump has today proposed a travel ban on all caucasian online poker-enthusiasts who feel like stocking up on machine guns and killing as many people as possible for no reason.

The confirmed shooter of this week’s gun massacre in Nevada appears to have come out of nowhere and completely slipped past American intelligence authorities, which means that the only way to prevent this from happening again is to implement a blatant attack on the civil rights of all people that match his profile.

Over the next month, Trump says he hopes to pass a bill through congress that would see all old white retirees turned away from domestic and international airports and has also suggested at the possibility of a national registry on existing old white retirees.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by looooob

why oh why did I click that...damn you dogbert

Is it even a real account? You’d think he’d be verified on twitter and that’s not a verified account.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Oh look, Bruce Dowbiggin is still a butthead.

I'd tell him to stick to hockey, but it isn't like he ever had a clue about that either.

Thank god he doesnt have a rocket launcher

[Buff]

Here is a timeline of events, just so we can debate again whether or not the police responded poorly.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...ting-timeline/

In my mind, they did very good.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Buff

Here is a timeline of events, just so we can debate again whether or not the police responded poorly.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...ting-timeline/

In my mind, they did very good.

In your mind. Do you know what you're looking at and how to interpret that? Duty assignments alone will raise some eyebrows. There's a lot of stuff in this timeline that LVPD would probably not have wanted released. The postmortem on this is not going to pretty. Publicly, it will be a success. Internally there will be some reorganization.

[Fuzz]

The National Rifle Association is opposing a ban on "bump stocks" like the device used by the Las Vegas gunman to turn semi-automatic weapons into rapid-fire guns, stressing its support for more limited regulations.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nra-bump-stocks-1.4346367

Not really unexpected, but man.. These things have zero practical use. You would hope the NRA would consider this would build a little good will by supporting it. But nope. Oppose every ban, no matter how reasonable.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nra-bump-stocks-1.4346367

Not really unexpected, but man.. These things have zero practical use. You would hope the NRA would consider this would build a little good will by supporting it. But nope. Oppose every ban, no matter how reasonable.

That’s more like the NRA we know and love! I thought they would give on bump stocks to help push suppressors through to legality. Seems they’re going to dig in and protect it all. Never underestimate the power of American gun culture. Sigh.

[ernie]

Someone must have accidentally taken their meds a few days ago when they said they wouldn't have issues with a bump stock ban. Back off of them I guess.

I know a lot of gun lovers in these parts...and this event actually has them shook up. Probably because this was an event they could see themselves at. Don't care about kids getting shot but they do care about getting shot themselves the next time they attend a country show apparently.

[Lanny_McDonald]

No kidding. I'm more than prepared to give up my bump stock if Congress decides to get a grip on reality and view them as a modification to the firing mechanism of the semi-automatic action. As fun as they are, they are a danger to the public IMO. I still content Congress should approach the issue of being able to put rounds down range and make their restrictions based on that need. Civilian need is to get a single round down range (bolt action). Law enforcement have a need to get more rounds down range with a high degree of accuracy (semi-auto). Military has a need to rain lead down range in a spray and pray engagement (auto). Common sense approach to weapon restriction IMO, and complies with the 2nd amendment.