10-06-2017, 03:25 PM
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#81
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary
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Can we change title to Troy "Tranny" Brouwer to shorten the title...thanks
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10-06-2017, 03:25 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Machiavelli
Simmonds!
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I'd love Simmonds but not for Backlund or Bennett.
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10-06-2017, 03:26 PM
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#83
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Has he ever played RW?
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Not sure...maybe not..
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10-06-2017, 03:48 PM
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#84
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Scoring Winger
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It's a darn shame that Janks is down and Brouwer is with the team. IMO it's got to do with a hang up this team has with moving one of Bennett or Janks to the wing. IMO the talent needs the be pushed up the lines not down. Janks is one of few big bodies we have, either put him on Bennett's wing or put Bennett on his wing or do something more intelligent than stuffing worn out, low skill, slow vets in places they can't keep up. It's ######ing development and startling the horses.
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10-06-2017, 03:57 PM
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#85
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Soooooooo... about Michael Stone...
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Right, because Brouwer sucking immediately makes your incessant and laughable ranting about Stone all the more legitimate. 
I enjoyed your posts better when your stat site was down for a week and you were unable to put forth opinions during that time.
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10-06-2017, 04:11 PM
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#86
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Let's just say there was a trade centering around Bennett for Mikko Rantanen?
Likely wouldn't happen of course, but Rantanen is a left-shooting RW (which GG doesn't approve of) and is young, big, and skilled. Hypothetically speaking, would anyone go for that?
The Avs might be looking for a center after they deal Duchene.....
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10-06-2017, 04:14 PM
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#87
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Draft Pick
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I love Tre but an $18 Million mistake is tough to justify in any business. Couple that with the fact that the mistake is standing in the way of a prospect that the organizations been developing for years and it starts to snowball. Not many people come out unscathed after throwing away $18M
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10-06-2017, 04:20 PM
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#88
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Back in Calgary!!
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
So rather than point out all the cringeworthy garbage and usual nonsense directed at anything that even resembles analytics, props to Ashasx, who called it right away and didn't soften his predictions...
When I saw this thread the first thing I did was go and calculate the buyout. 1.5M in cap for four years. That's awful. It still might be worth it.
Soooooooo... about Michael Stone...
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Ugh. There is nothing more repulsive on a hockey forum than "I told you so's". Especially when it is negativity about our own goddamn players. Then you double down with this crap about our 5th defenseman. Its nauseating.
We get it, Brouwer has been and is bad. But he easily could have been the top 9 forward that the Flames thought they signed. It just hasn't worked out.
You should probably forward your resume to Burke and King for immediate employment as the knows everything guru. Many high fives and back slaps to go around.
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10-06-2017, 04:23 PM
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#89
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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I love a good atoadaso, even when I'm on the goofy end of it.
Like when I said I loved the brouwer signing and now hate it.
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10-06-2017, 04:27 PM
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#90
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sa226
Ugh. There is nothing more repulsive on a hockey forum than "I told you so's". Especially when it is negativity about our own goddamn players. Then you double down with this crap about our 5th defenseman. Its nauseating.
We get it, Brouwer has been and is bad. But he easily could have been the top 9 forward that the Flames thought they signed. It just hasn't worked out.
You should probably forward your resume to Burke and King for immediate employment as the knows everything guru. Many high fives and back slaps to go around.
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This whole thread is like an "I told you so". I don't think any individuals are particularly being singled out. But I mean, a lot of posters took a lot of flack last summer for these and similar opinions. You don't get to berate them for having a different opinion and then get upset when they talk about the actual results supporting their claim. Seems like an opportunity to learn, more than anything.
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10-06-2017, 10:53 PM
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#91
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Haifa, Israel
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Advanced stats work. Science trumps eye test and gut feeling. You can't make a flying airplane with intuition and hunch. It takes math, calculations and science. Everything we use, including any technology behind this forum and devices we use to post here, is a work of science, formulas and laws. Hockey is going to be no exception.
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10-07-2017, 05:38 AM
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#93
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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^Hard to argue with the larger point you are making, but that would put us over the cap if Jagr's bonus kicks in, which it likely would. We probably don't sign Jagr if Okposo is here. Still would be a better decision overall, although I think Okposo is overrated.
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10-07-2017, 08:17 AM
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#94
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by robaur
Either the player is a good player or he's not. Treliving should have paid the extra $1.75M to get a good player that can score 25 goals and get you 60 points and legitimately play Top line RW and PP1.
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We didn't have the extra $1.75M to spend last season! If I remember correctly neither of Gaudreau or Monahan were signed by the deadline. In addition, Smid was not a sure thing to go on LTIR either. Remember the reason why Wideman had to be our #4D last year to start, because of the cap crunch. That is also the reason the Flames went after Elliott and his $2.5M cap hit. In the end it is not all as simple as you make it out to be. Eventually the numbers probably would've worked out, though you would've had a higher bonus overage carryover for this season as well.
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10-07-2017, 11:23 AM
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#95
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Crash and Bang Winger
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If we bury TB on the farm how much of his cap counts?
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10-07-2017, 11:27 AM
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#96
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Greybeard
If we bury TB on the farm how much of his cap counts?
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Maximum cap relief is 950k, so Brouwer would still count $3.55 MM against the cap.
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10-07-2017, 01:15 PM
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#97
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Halifax, NS
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Originally Posted by Greybeard
If we bury TB on the farm how much of his cap counts?
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Burying him in the minors isn't the solution.
The only solution is to put him in a position to succeed as much as possible and hope we can con someone else into trading for him.
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10-07-2017, 04:20 PM
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#98
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Franchise Player
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there is no point trading him until the offseason unless the flames have a plan for the freed up cap space.
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10-07-2017, 04:28 PM
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#99
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Halifax, NS
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Originally Posted by GullFoss
there is no point trading him until the offseason unless the flames have a plan for the freed up cap space.
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The point is getting out of the organization and freeing up a spot for Jankowski to play. If you bury Brouwer in the minors you will never be able to trade him.
I would assume, if Treliving can't find anyone willing to trade for him, that's the route he will eventually be forced to take. But the optimal solution is trading Brouwer for literally anything and getting Jankowski in that spot.
If Brouwer gets sent down, he's going to get bought out next summer, guaranteed.
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10-07-2017, 07:16 PM
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#100
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Brouwer has a full NTC this season.
After that, he must provide a list of 15 teams that he cannot be traded to.
If he gets traded, I'd bet it won't be until after this season.
As much as I want to see Jankowski on the Flames this season, burying Brouwer in the minors would be poor asset management.
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