Dealers are already required to comply with background check requirements, so holding them responsible for the actions of a seller cleared by the NICS system isn’t really reasonable. If you wanted to hold the dealer responsible for the crime committed by someone else, you’d also need to hold the NICS people to an even higher standard, since they are the ones clearing the sale.
In the case of a private sale, you’d need to prove that the seller knew or had reason to believe that the buyer was either unauthorized or had malicious intent. Even figuring out the seller in a private transaction would require some kind of record, which no one keeps anyway. It would also require that guns are registered by every owner, which isn’t required.
The technology is in its infancy, but blockchain technology is IDEAL for something like gun registries. It's simple, it can't be hacked or edited, and the applications of the registry/actual firearm are pretty unique.
The idea behind it is once the firearm is registered to someone, it cannot be fired by anyone else. You can also track the actual firearm being used in real time, and disable it if it is equipped with the digital technology.
Of course tall of this is only whitepaper, but the technology is coming. Hopefully soon.
I still think that the sellers have to be held directly responsible for crimes committed by a gun owner who bought from them, especially if they didn't follow procedures, and especially with private gun sales where there really are no procedures.
I'm also a proponent of making every gun owner have to have a $10 million dollar chaos insurance policy so if they or lets say a gun that they lost or had stolen is held liable.
If you suddenly had the insurance industries involved in gun ownership you'd better believe that they would use their lobby to glamour for gun reform.
Also if you have an uninsured gun, the police can basically seize it and run it through a car crusher.
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Nevada uses an in-state background check system for dealer sales which pulls from the same data that NICS does. Unless you hold a Nevada CCW, in which case the check is waived since an unauthorized person can’t obtain a CCW and it would be revoked if your status changes.
The technology is in its infancy, but blockchain technology is IDEAL for something like gun registries. It's simple, it can't be hacked or edited, and the applications of the registry/actual firearm are pretty unique.
The idea behind it is once the firearm is registered to someone, it cannot be fired by anyone else. You can also track the actual firearm being used in real time, and disable it if it is equipped with the digital technology.
Of course tall of this is only whitepaper, but the technology is coming. Hopefully soon.
I like the idea of a chip that the first time you get a gun you can have two people as the owners who can fire it, and you have to take it to the police to transfer the ownership of the gun.
And if someone else tries to fire it, 3 oz of explosives takes their hand off at the elbows.
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A man reportedly drove from Chicago to set up 58 crosses on the south end of the Las Vegas Strip, one for each of the victims who died Sunday night's mass shooting.
Local news reported that the man who brought the crosses, Greg Zanis, drove from Aurora, Illinois.
According to WGN9, Zanis, a carpenter, drove 1800 miles with the crosses to honor the victims. He's made 20,000 crosses over the course of 20 years for homicide and shooting victims, WGN9 reported, but this installation is the most he's ever made at one time.
He wrote a victim's name on every cross, and he brought Stars of David for Jewish victims.
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Nevada uses an in-state background check system for dealer sales which pulls from the same data that NICS does. Unless you hold a Nevada CCW, in which case the check is waived since an unauthorized person can’t obtain a CCW and it would be revoked if your status changes.
But in this case it sounds like a tleast some of the weapons were purchased in Utah, and that their screening criteria is different?
Ideally a registry would alert authorities of individuals who are building/ have high powered weapons caches. Obviously would have little effect on criminals who illegally obtain guns but it'd be somewhere to start.
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The insurance idea is interesting. I don't have any idea but do insurers charge you more if you store a gun on your property? It seems like it could be a cash cow for them in the US. I'd like to see the NRA, Republicans, and insurance companies duke it out over something like that.
But in this case it sounds like a tleast some of the weapons were purchased in Utah, and that their screening criteria is different?
Ideally a registry would alert authorities of individuals who are building/ have high powered weapons caches. Obviously would have little effect on criminals who illegally obtain guns but it'd be somewhere to start.
If he bought from a dealer in Utah, he went though a background check.
If you want a “high powered” registry, you’d need to first change federal law and then define “high powered”, because there is no current definition. In what way do you fell that the government knowing that Joe Blow has 5 guns of whatever arbitrary calibre would prevent those guns from being used in a crime?
The insurance idea is interesting. I don't have any idea but do insurers charge you more if you store a gun on your property? It seems like it could be a cash cow for them in the US. I'd like to see the NRA, Republicans, and insurance companies duke it out over something like that.
They don’t, there isn’t added risk to them just from having them on the property.
All they care about is replacement value, if the value exceeds policy limits, then you either aren’t covered or have to buy additional coverage. Just like if you have any other property that exceeds the policy limits.
This isn't directed at you, but stuff like this really makes me 10 seconds with a bit of critical thinking debunks everything in this one
1) Elevator and baggage trolley
2) "Do not disturb" sign on door
3) Disabling a smoke detector is not a hard or complicated thing to do. And what sort of 'security systems' did the casino have inside a suite for him to disable?
4) Hammer and shatter. Or...shoot an assault rifle through it...
5) I assume that sentence should be "rained in aimed firepower"...It's not hard to brace a gun (that has a bidpod/brace on it already) and shoot down into a jam packed crowd of people. It's stupidly simple, in fact...
6) He clearly had a motive. What it is...is still being worked on
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Records of Paddock's weapons purchases have been drawn from Nevada, Utah, California and Texas, where investigators are engaged in a far-flung effort to gather purchase records and in-store surveillance video to determine if others may have accompanied him. Authorities, however, believe Paddock acted alone when he fired on a concert crowd from a corner suite on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel.
10 seconds with a bit of critical thinking debunks everything in this one
