Las Vegas Shooting: 50+ Dead 500+ Injured at Jason Aldean Concert

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by pylon

Maybe someone that knows him better can chime in, but he works for UPS right? With the sunglasses and extra weight on him, I am trying to determine if it's the guy I think it is.

If it is, I've had a few good on ice arguments with him, and a few good chats in our dealership when he's dropped packages. I think it's him, just want to know for sure as it will determine how much I donate.

This is the guy..

[ripTDR]

I've always thought registering your firearms on a national database would be reasonable. That way if your gun was used in a crime the registered owner would be responsible as well.

If you want to get crazy...start chipping guns Big brother could track the guns movement(possibly in relation to other guns of the owner), how many rounds fired and other useful metadata.

Kind of seems like the next logical step considering the governments lust for our personal info.

[Drummer]

Originally Posted by Nyah

My friend was there (not at the festival, but outside Mandalay Bay), and him and his buddy swear up & down that there was muzzle fire coming from two separate floors. I don't really know what to think, as he is NOT a conspiracy theorits by any stretch.

There is lots of talk of this on Reddit. It's been "debunked" if you wanna call it that. There was a large party on one of the floors (around the 5th floor) that had dancing strobe lights. That combined with the echo of the gunfire could make it easy to confuse people that there was a 2nd shooter.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Well from what I recall, US firearms dealers are required to maintain a manifest of weapons sold and that manifest is actually property of the ATF and must be provided upon their request.

Originally Posted by ripTDR

I've always thought registering your firearms on a national database would be reasonable. That way if your gun was used in a crime the registered owner would be responsible as well.

The US gun records are a crazy story in themselves.

https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/w...-explained-392

The ATF's record-keeping system lacks certain basic functionalities standard to every other database created in the modern age. Despite its vast size, and importance to crime fighters, it is less sophisticated than an online card catalog maintained by a small town public library.

To perform a search, ATF investigators must find the specific index number of a former dealer, then search records chronologically for records of the exact gun they seek. They may review thousands of images in a search before they find the weapon they are looking for. That's because dealer records are required to be "non-searchable" under federal law. Keyword searches, or sorting by date or any other field, are strictly prohibited.

Congress imposes conflicting directives on the ATF. The agency is required to trace guns, but it must use inefficient procedures and obsolete technology. Lawmakers in effect tell the agency to do a job but badly.

Kafka would be proud.

There's a longer version of essentially the same story here by Business Insider, with a detailed description of how the search procedure goes. It's a good article worth reading with some interesting human interest stuff, but the system is really completely bonkers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...r=US&IR=T&IR=T

It can take people at the tracing center 70 phone calls on one trace alone.

Sixty-five percent of the time, workers at the tracing center are able to successfully trace a gun used in a crime back to the original purchaser. A routine trace takes about a week, but they can turn an “urgent” around in 24 hours.

Even if a gun store that has gone out of business hands over records that it had kept on computer files, Charlie can't use them.

He has to have the files printed out, and then the ladies take pictures of them and store them that way. Anything that allows people to search by name is verboten.

[ripTDR]

^^^ heh...A bit off topic... and I know I'm Canadian but I'm so glad I decided not to have kids. What a mess we are leaving them.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by ripTDR

^^^ heh...A bit off topic... and I know I'm Canadian but I'm so glad I decided not to have kids. What a mess we are leaving them.

This is an interesting saying I see popping up after events like this. Does your comment mean I'm a bad person for having kids as the world's not perfect?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

This is an interesting saying I see popping up after events like this. Does your comment mean I'm a bad person for having kids as the world's not perfect?

Depends, did you just have your kids, like yesterday? If so you are a bad person.


I had kids 13 and 11 years ago, world was a much better place then all happiness and rainbows.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

This is an interesting saying I see popping up after events like this. Does your comment mean I'm a bad person for having kids as the world's not perfect?

Yeah, when was this happy time when the world was safe and pleasant? Crime, war, violence, racial strife, poverty were all worse 30 or 40 years ago.

If the world is worse today, it's the anxiety and hysteria whipped up by social media, and our seeming inability to put the world around us into context.

[Northendzone]

read a story yesterday that two companies that make/sell bump stocks are temporarily sold out of their inventory and they have updated their company facebook pages accordingly.

also saw this floating on facebook:

[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

This is an interesting saying I see popping up after events like this. Does your comment mean I'm a bad person for having kids as the world's not perfect?

No not at all, I actually applaud you for having kids.

It was a bit tongue and cheek, kind of caught up in the moment. I know that the difficulties of raising a child in this crazy hyper changing world would be overwhelming for somebody like myself. I guess I got a bleak view of the future

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

People need to #### off

[Ducay]

I'm actually blown away at all the conspiracy garbage on FB about this shooting - and its coming from my not "batsh1t" insane friends. Why is it so hard to believe there was only one shooter?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ripTDR

^^^ heh...A bit off topic... and I know I'm Canadian but I'm so glad I decided not to have kids. What a mess we are leaving them.

This is actually the safest point in human history. Homicide, military, and accidental death rates are at all time lows. We just see more media than in the past.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by ripTDR

I've always thought registering your firearms on a national database would be reasonable. That way if your gun was used in a crime the registered owner would be responsible as well.

How do you see that working? Unless someone knowingly sold or provided a firearm to someone else who wasn’t authorized or had malicious intent, there would be no crime to charge them with. Unless you’re trying to say that any crime that is committed with a firearm should be reverse onus, which no one would ever support.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

How do you see that working? Unless someone knowingly sold or provided a firearm to someone else who wasn’t authorized or had malicious intent, there would be no crime to charge them with. Unless you’re trying to say that any crime that is committed with a firearm should be reverse onus, which no one would ever support.

Also drug dealers who account for the vast majority of death's are not using registered guns.

These mass shootings all involve people who get caught or kill themselves afterwards. Not sure how registering their guns would act as a deterrent.

[ripTDR]

well..ummm wouldn't you start somewhere? criminals obtain guns...somehow? maybe if the dealers/persons were held accountable to who they sell their guns to, maybe they would pay attention to who they sell them to? might not be perfect but it's a start

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by blankall

Also drug dealers who account for the vast majority of death's are not using registered guns.

These mass shootings all involve people who get caught or kill themselves afterwards. Not sure how registering their guns would act as a deterrent.

Registering guns wouldn't be a deterrent, it would be red tape that would make it a hassle to obtain a small armory without raising red flags or suspicion. Would somebody be able to amass a few dozen guns illegally without any problems along the way? It seems like anytime somebody who is normally law-abiding tries to do something illegal (like hiring a hitman or something) they get caught and go to jail. At least that's what happens on those Discovery Channel Detective programs.

[spuzzum]

Has any survivor had health care insurance issues not being covered?

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by ripTDR

well..ummm wouldn't you start somewhere? criminals obtain guns...somehow? maybe if the dealers/persons were held accountable to who they sell their guns to, maybe they would pay attention to who they sell them to? might not be perfect but it's a start

Dealers are already required to comply with background check requirements, so holding them responsible for the actions of a seller cleared by the NICS system isn’t really reasonable. If you wanted to hold the dealer responsible for the crime committed by someone else, you’d also need to hold the NICS people to an even higher standard, since they are the ones clearing the sale.

In the case of a private sale, you’d need to prove that the seller knew or had reason to believe that the buyer was either unauthorized or had malicious intent. Even figuring out the seller in a private transaction would require some kind of record, which no one keeps anyway. It would also require that guns are registered by every owner, which isn’t required.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

Has any survivor had health care insurance issues not being covered?

The stats suggest about 60.