Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

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Originally Posted by Zevo

How about 'people'.

"You people?"

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by GGG

People are really making an odd assumption that by the government forcing separate stores we will have a higher quality staff. That really doesn't make sense.

Does anyone trust someone at the superstore liquor store to stock, or have knowledge about various kinds of craft beer? They certainly don't have the knowledge at the one I frequent. But if I go to co-op they are a little better depending on who is there and if I go to the CP beer store you get very knowledgeable service.

The stand alone superstore weed store or weed barn is going to have cheep generic product with a minimum wage staff with little to no knowledge. The boutique stores will have better product and knowledge. Whether or not they also sell oranges or beer at the weed store will not change it. The market (presuming it is allowed to) will set the price, selection and quality of service.

The current spectrum of boutique liquor stores to liquor barn are well equipped to handle what the market will deliver. And the owners who are interested in expanding will hire staff with the knowledge the market wants.

I do agree about keeping the recreational product out of pharmacies and only having a medically prescribed product sold there.

Just curious if you have you ever been to a weed dispensary or to a paraphernalia store? In my past experiences, the staff are almost always knowledgeable and know what they are talking about when it comes to products and strains. They are all stoners . Similar to how the guy at EB games likely knows what he's talking about when you ask him a questions about the latest games, where as the guy at Walmart might have no idea.

I also think it's fair to assume that when these places do start to open and look to hire staff, it's going to be a flock of stoners looking to get hired. Stoners gravitate to jobs like this. When was the last time you went to a video game or computer store and saw a bunch of good looking model quality women working there? For the most part, certain types of people work at certain places that cater to their 'cultural lifestyle'. I don't think it will be any different at the weed store. I've never in my life in any country, gone to a weed dispensary/store and not had a weed smoker work there who didn't know what they were talking about.

Originally Posted by rubecube

You potheads crack me up when you discuss weed like it's wine or whisky.

I made a point in my earlier post about most people having no idea about different strains and just lumping all weed together as one single thing. Thank you for proving my point lol. Like it or not, there are different 'brands' of weed and they have different effects. It's has nothing to do with being a snob or connoisseur. But it's good to know what strain is what, and what effects it will have. Just as different alcohols are brewed in different fashions to provide different tastes, the same is done with pot. The way it is grown, when it was harvested, how it is cured. It all makes a difference in the final product.

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I made a point in my earlier post about most people having no idea about different strains and just lumping all weed together as one single thing. Thank you for proving my point lol. Like it or not, there are different 'brands' of weed and they have different effects. It's has nothing to do with being a snob or connoisseur. But it's good to know what strain is what, and what effects it will have. Just as different alcohols are brewed in different fashions to provide different tastes, the same is done with pot. The way it is grown, when it was harvested, how it is cured. It all makes a difference in the final product.

Aren't the differences in strains mostly anecdotal? I seem to recall the science of the effects of sativa vs. indica being pretty inconclusive. In addition to that, can you really tell the difference if you're already baked? I know my ability to discern between a saison and a kettle sour would be severely limited after I'd had six of them. I also know that I've tried different strains of both indica, sativa, hybrids, etc., and despite what the nice man at the weed store said, most all of them have given me anxiety and caused me to have trouble sleeping.

[Zevo]

I think it depends on the individual, but there is definitely a difference. Some strains give me incredible munchies, some don't. Some relieve the daily stress better than others.

I also know lots of people that think scotch is scotch.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I think it depends on the individual, but there is definitely a difference. Some strains give me incredible munchies, some don't. Some relieve the daily stress better than others.

I also know lots of people that think scotch is scotch.

I think the comparable is the person who thinks they get more wasted off of rye than rum, or that gin makes them more horny. Could very well be similar to a placebo effect, too.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Isn't the differences in strains mostly anecdotal? I seem to recall the science of the effects of sativa vs. indica being pretty inconclusive. In addition to that, can you really tell the difference if you're already baked? I know my ability to discern between a saison and a kettle sour would be severely limited after I'd had six of them. I also know that I've tried different strains of both indica, sativa, hybrids, etc., and despite what the nice man at the weed store said, most all of them have given me anxiety and caused me to have trouble sleeping.

I'm not going to pretend to know the science behind it. But I smoked weed for over 15 years before I (mostly) quit, so I'll rely on my personal experience about it, as well as the experience of other stoners who say the same thing. There absolutely 100% is a difference between Sativa vs Indica. Indica is more for medical use and is used as a pain killer or if you have sleep/eating problems. It's the ''fixer'' weed. Sativa is the fun weed. The stuff that makes you laugh, want to go on outdoor adventures and be creative. It's the party weed. Indica makes you want to sit on the couch and not socialize. It's the stereotypical ''lazy stoner'' weed. Sativa makes you want to do things and energizes you. It's fun to be around others. In your experience, if the weed caused you anxiety and you had trouble sleeping, it's possible you got the wrong strain or you are just simply someone whose body doesn't agree with weed. Not everyone likes to drink and some people just react bad to booze



But in most cases, I'm almost certain that most people who have only smoked a couple times and didn't like because they felt sick or paranoid, they smoked the wrong kind (Indica) and in the wrong setting. No one would want to take sleeping pills and go out and try to party. It's not meant for that, and Indica is the same. That's why it's very important to know what strain does what, especially if you aren't that experienced with it.

When this whole debate started I was on board with being able to buy weed at the local corner store for convenience. But the more I think about it, I'm on board with having it only at designated stores so people know what they are getting.

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

In your experience, if the weed caused you anxiety and you had trouble sleeping, it's possible you got the wrong strain or you are just simply someone whose body doesn't agree with weed. Not everyone likes to drink and some people just react bad to booze

I actually figured out it was a dosing issue, which is a big problem with having an unregulated market. When I went to Seattle, I found that 15-20mg of THC was a pretty good dose for me when it came to edibles. The good thing about that is when something said 15mg of THC on the package, I could be reasonably sure that it had exactly that much in the edible. In Victoria, I've had a few instances where the dosage was definitely more than what was listed on the package. It's also why I prefer edibles to smoking.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think the comparable is the person who thinks they get more wasted off of rye than rum, or that gin makes them more horny. Could very well be similar to a placebo effect, too.

I definitely get different 'highs'. Could I do a blind test to tell what I was smoking or do I always notice a distinct difference? No, but for me there are strains I buy that I like more.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I actually figured out it was a dosing issue, which is a big problem with having an unregulated market. When I went to Seattle, I found that 15-20mg of THC was a pretty good dose for me when it came to edibles. The good thing about that is when something said 15mg of THC on the package, I could be reasonably sure that it had exactly that much in the edible. In Victoria, I've had a few instances where the dosage was definitely more than what was listed on the package. It's also why I prefer edibles to smoking.

I'll be honest with you. Pretty much everything I said to you goes out the window when it comes to edibles. For me at least. With edibles I can't tell what's what and it always sends me for a loop sideways. I find the effects to increase significantly with edibles. Maybe that's because it was just a buddy making cookies or something. But at least with smoking if I know I've had enough, I can stop. With edibles, you pretty much buckle yourself in and go for the ride. If you're not enjoying it, it's going to suck. I know people who have called 911 on themselves thinking they were dying after eating a couple brownies. That would not happen if it was smoked.

I'm not a big fan of edibles for that reason. IMO it's almost a different ''high''. But hopefully when this stuff becomes regulated, it will be a lot easier to control the dosage you are taking in.

[CliffFletcher]

When Calgary officials met with their counterparts in Colorado, the biggest red flag they raised for legalization was edibles. Even people who are regular pot smokers don't have any idea of their tolerance for edibles - how much to eat and how long until the effects set in. So you have someone eating a brownie, getting impatient when they don't feel anything after 20 minutes, then eating another one. And two hours later they're sitting on the sidewalk with their head in their hands.

One thing officials in Canada have right is waiting a year before legalizing edibles, to let the market settle in a bit.

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I'm not a big fan of edibles for that reason. IMO it's almost a different ''high''.

It's a dramatically different high.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When Calgary officials met with their counterparts in Colorado, the biggest red flag they raised for legalization was edibles. Even people who are regular pot smokers don't have any idea of their tolerance for edibles - how much to eat and how long until the effects set in. So you have someone eating a brownie, getting impatient when they don't feel anything after 20 minutes, then eating another one. And two hours later they're sitting on the sidewalk with their head in their hands.

One thing officials in Canada have right is waiting a year before legalizing edibles, to let the market settle in a bit.



It's a dramatically different high.

Edibles I make at home because you don't know the strength of the edibles they sell in stores. There are differences between strains for sure.

[corporatejay]

cannabollier I think is the term to refer to a weed expert.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I don't even smoke weed (mostly). I just figure if they have cafes it would be nice to go there once a week and try something new each time in a social setting.

Buying some at the store, bringing it home and getting baked seems kinda boring.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Buying some at the store, bringing it home and getting baked seems kinda boring.

That's because you forgot the part where you play video games.

[Wormius]

Maybe we could hire in some workers from the Netherlands to help bring local staff up to speed on things.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Maybe we could hire in some workers from the Netherlands to help bring local staff up to speed on things.

Cannabis cup was in Edmonton a couple weeks ago but the government isn't allowing cafes so I don't think the stores will be run like in the Netherlands. You would be surprised how many weed nerds there are here.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Aren't the differences in strains mostly anecdotal? I seem to recall the science of the effects of sativa vs. indica being pretty inconclusive. In addition to that, can you really tell the difference if you're already baked? I know my ability to discern between a saison and a kettle sour would be severely limited after I'd had six of them. I also know that I've tried different strains of both indica, sativa, hybrids, etc., and despite what the nice man at the weed store said, most all of them have given me anxiety and caused me to have trouble sleeping.

I think there is definitely a discernible difference between weeds with different levels of CBD/THC but I can't help but feel that all of the talk about effects of different terpenes is a giant marketing tactic by the distributors to enable them to sell a larger variety of products and to sell more low quality weed for the same price as higher quality by passing it off as having different levels of terpenes and therefore different effects.

This is all JMUO (U = uneducated) and for all I know there is research that easily refutes my post.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Does he want to go to sleep!?

Any strain with the word "haze" in it would do the opposite of putting you to sleep.

Regarding different highs from different strains, there's absolutely big differences, depending how varied the strains are. But if you don't do it very often or at all, I could see how one wouldn't be able to really tell the difference. Like someone who never drinks wine and thus thinks they all taste the same. Or someone who thinks all country music sounds the same because they never listen to it. It's probably hard to notice differences if you never really do it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Just curious if you have you ever been to a weed dispensary or to a paraphernalia store? In my past experiences, the staff are almost always knowledgeable and know what they are talking about when it comes to products and strains. They are all stoners . Similar to how the guy at EB games likely knows what he's talking about when you ask him a questions about the latest games, where as the guy at Walmart might have no idea.

I also think it's fair to assume that when these places do start to open and look to hire staff, it's going to be a flock of stoners looking to get hired. Stoners gravitate to jobs like this. When was the last time you went to a video game or computer store and saw a bunch of good looking model quality women working there? For the most part, certain types of people work at certain places that cater to their 'cultural lifestyle'. I don't think it will be any different at the weed store. I've never in my life in any country, gone to a weed dispensary/store and not had a weed smoker work there who didn't know what they were talking about.

That will be true with boutique stores regardless of if they are allowed to sell liquor. We just havent seen the mass market dispensary run by superstore or the immigration investement weed store yet.

They will show up as the market matures with or without selling liquor along side them.

Also here is a fun study on the problems with the ladling and generic makeup of various Strains

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0133292

With a .36 correlation between actual genotype and claimed it is quite difficult to know what you are getting even if there is a wide difference between affects.

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Originally Posted by Sainters7

Any strain with the word "haze" in it would do the opposite of putting you to sleep.

Regarding different highs from different strains, there's absolutely big differences, depending how varied the strains are. But if you don't do it very often or at all, I could see how one wouldn't be able to really tell the difference. Like someone who never drinks wine and thus thinks they all taste the same. Or someone who thinks all country music sounds the same because they never listen to it. It's probably hard to notice differences if you never really do it.

I mean I've heard this from people quite a bit, but I'm asking if there's any evidence or hard science to back it up or if it's all just anecdotal.