http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/us/las...ion/index.html
He said a later search of cases found in the car revealed 50 pounds of Tannerite -- a brand-name product that's marketed as explosive rifle targets.
"Those explosives, that's the scary part. What was he going to do with those? I mean, you don't just acquire them and leave them in your vehicle and not have a plan for them," said Roderick, former assistant director of the US Marshals Service.
"The Tannerite could have set off the ammonium nitrate," Roderick said. "So, was he using that as a vehicle-borne explosive device?"[/I]
I assume he knew the position of the Tannerite in his car, and intended on firing a round into it. I wonder why he didn't?
For reference, here's what 30 lbs of Tannerite does to a vehicle & it's surroundings:
My friend was there (not at the festival, but outside Mandalay Bay), and him and his buddy swear up & down that there was muzzle fire coming from two separate floors. I don't really know what to think.
Well there would have to be more broken windows then...
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That's causing a lot of confusion for him. He said he was questioning what he thought he saw, but his buddy saw the same thing, as did other people standing around them.
That's causing a lot of confusion for him. He said he was questioning what he thought he saw, but his buddy saw the same thing, as did other people standing around them.
Reflections on the glass? Shock?
Both more likely than a cover up. Pictures of a second set of broken windows would be all over the news.
Both more likely than a cover up. Pictures of a second set of broken windows would be all over the news.
Again, he doesn't know how to explain it either. He said it didn't seem like a reflection because it looked "3D" and that the flashes from both points were matching up with the sounds of gunfire.
I mean, the hotel is basically a giant mirror and Vegas is a city of flashing lights. I don't see how there could be a second shooter without evidence and I certainly don't think the hotel would try to cover anything up...that's ridiculous. But man...my friend is solid & rational and he wouldn't feed into the speculation and conspiracies unless he was absolutely certain of what he saw. Again, his buddy and the people around them saw the same thing so he doesn't feel like it's just shock or that he's losing his mind. It's just really bizarre.
I like how in the video he says "so 'technically' it isn't classified as a machine gun". Basically, ya, it's a machine gun. And in the second video the ATF approval says it is not, based on the wording of the regulation. I assume that wording needs to be changed, becuase when they wrote it they didn't imagine a loophole like this. Could they not have written the law to limit guns to a certain rate of fire?
I wonder if anyone at the company that makes these things feels a little bad about how they were used? Do they have enough scruples for that, or is their pile of money keeping them to comfy?
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"The National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law," the NRA said in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
The debate on banning bump stocks is taking place on Capitol Hill. Florida Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo is planning to introduce legislation Thursday to ban the sale of them.
"I think we are on the verge of a breakthrough when it comes to sensible gun policy," Curbelo told reporters Thursday.
Again, he doesn't know how to explain it either. He said it didn't seem like a reflection because it looked "3D" and that the flashes from both points were matching up with the sounds of gunfire.
I mean, the hotel is basically a giant mirror and Vegas is a city of flashing lights. I don't see how there could be a second shooter without evidence and I certainly don't think the hotel would try to cover anything up...that's ridiculous. But man...my friend is solid & rational and he wouldn't feed into the speculation and conspiracies unless he was absolutely certain of what he saw. Again, his buddy and the people around them saw the same thing so he doesn't feel like it's just shock or that he's losing his mind. It's just really bizarre.
Well I mean there are pretty much only 3 scenarios. 1) He saw a second shooter and been missed by the investigators. 2) He saw a second shooter and it's a cover up. 3) He didn't actually see a second shooter.
Hopefully your buddy doesn't beat himself up too much about it, he was in a stressful situation and it's easy for the mind to see/remember things incorrectly under that much stress.
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Again, he doesn't know how to explain it either. He said it didn't seem like a reflection because it looked "3D" and that the flashes from both points were matching up with the sounds of gunfire.
I mean, the hotel is basically a giant mirror and Vegas is a city of flashing lights. I don't see how there could be a second shooter without evidence and I certainly don't think the hotel would try to cover anything up...that's ridiculous. But man...my friend is solid & rational and he wouldn't feed into the speculation and conspiracies unless he was absolutely certain of what he saw. Again, his buddy and the people around them saw the same thing so he doesn't feel like it's just shock or that he's losing his mind. It's just really bizarre.
Not even particularly uncommon for people's eyewitness accounts to be unreliable (or just completely BS).
We often think we saw what we never saw.
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The mystery over mass shooter Stephen Paddock deepened Thursday with news he rented rooms at Chicago's Blackstone Hotel overlooking the Lollapalooza music festival in Grant Park in August, two months before he opened fire at a country music concert in Las Vegas. Paddock reserved two rooms on the park side of the hotel with a clear view of the outdoor festival, but he never showed up, according to a law enforcement source, who asked for anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to publicly disclose the details. The reservations covered the four-day event, which drew hundreds of thousands of music fans, including former President Barack Obama's daughters Malia and Sasha, as well as Mayor Rahm Emanuel.
The disclosure fueled speculation that Paddock may have been considering other targets before settling on Las Vegas Sunday night, where he fatally shot 58 people and wounded nearly 500 others.
The Boston Globe, quoting anonymous sources, said Paddock may have scouted Fenway Park and other Boston venues. And Las Vegas police say Paddock rented hotel rooms near a concert featuring Chance the Rapper in Las Vegas about a week before the mass shooting, which occurred farther down the strip. Investigators say Paddock's motive still eludes them as they piece together his movements and track down his purchases of dozens of weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition.
“Anything that would indicate this individual’s trigger point and would cause him to do such harm, we haven’t understood it yet,” Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters. He said Paddock had been "living a secret life, much of which will never be fully understood."
The booking of the Blackstone rooms was first reported by TMZ and later confirmed to the Tribune by law enforcement sources. The Blackstone, in a statement, said a Stephen Paddock reserved rooms but no one by that name stayed there. From those rooms, Paddock would have had a clear view of the entrance to Lollapalooza and a major exit across a bridge. At least three stages would have been in front of him, one to the west of Columbus Drive and two to the east. Two more stages would have been to his right and two to his left, according to a layout of the festival grounds. The entrances and exit would have been clogged with festival-goers. Lollapalooza has a daily draw of more than 100,000 people.
In Boston, Paddock reportedly made online searches of Fenway Park and the Boston Center for the Arts, both of which host summer festivals. The Boston Globe said it was unclear if Paddock was ever in the city or when he conducted the searches. A week before the mass shooting, Paddock rented several rooms through Airbnb at The Ogden hotel in downtown Las Vegas for Sept. 22-24, the dates for the “Life is Beautiful” music festival that featured Chance the Rapper.
The next Sunday, Paddock broke out two windows in a suite on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and fired hundreds of rounds.
As for the people who believed there was more than one shooter, I read something that I wish I could find again, that because of the way the buildings are situated, the sound reverberated in such a way that it would have sounded like multiple shooters.
Not sure if this is the right spot to post this but Steve Arruda was one of the people who was injured in Las Vegas. He is a local Calgary guy and I am sure many of us have been reffed by him in local beer leagues. There is a fundraiser for some of the medical expenses he had during his injury. More here: https://www.youcaring.com/stevearruda-970661
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I also read in the NYT that he made a noise complaint about the room below him the night before all this went down. Like, what kind of sociopathic psycho makes a noise complaint the night before he guns down a bunch of people?
If he hates noise to the point of shooting up a music festival, he'd certainly complain about his neighbours.
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Yeah when it’s a white shooter it’s important to wait and gather all the facts before making any judgements. This wasn’t some dark Muslim where we instantly can discern motives and intent. It was an old rich white man and as such he deserves to have his motives carefully examined until it can be determined he was unquestionably a lone wolf or a puppet of foreign masters.
Can the sarcasm. We always want to know motive, because there's a degree of closure that comes with understanding it, and with "dark Muslims" motive is often easier to understand. That's actually fair.
Is it possible the extra muzzle fire was actually camera flash or reflections? I'm guessing that's more likely then another shooter on a different level that somehow replaced the windows before escaping without a trace.
Is it possible the extra muzzle fire was actually camera flash or reflections? I'm guessing that's more likely then another shooter on a different level that somehow replaced the windows before escaping without a trace.
I'd say that's almost 99.9% what it was. Vegas, esp on the strip, is all glitz, glam...and reflective surfaces. I'd say it's more likely reflections than camera flashes.
Is it possible the extra muzzle fire was actually camera flash or reflections? I'm guessing that's more likely then another shooter on a different level that somehow replaced the windows before escaping without a trace.
Those are my beliefs as well. It's hard to even begin to try and explain that to someone who is absolutely convinced at what they 'think' they saw. My friend described how when he was in his hotel room later (which was completely locked down) and was watching the news coverage, he thought they were lying. And then he started to wonder if he was legitimately losing his mind.
All I'm saying, is that so-called conspiracy theories, especially in relation to this incident, don't necessarily gain steam or notoriety because of classic conspiracy theorists and their methods, but because of people who genuinely think they saw something contrary to what the media is reporting.
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Las Vegas Strip mass murderer Stephen Paddock used his Mandalay Bay hotel room to fire bullets at jet fuel tanks Sunday night, a knowledgeable source told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
The bullets left two holes in one of two circular white tanks. One of the bullets penetrated the tank, but did not cause a fire or explosion near the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, another knowledgeable source said late Wednesday.
The tanks are roughly 1,100 feet from the concert site, where Paddock killed 58 people and wounded almost 500. Several airplane hangars belonging to prominent corporations are also near the tanks.
Not sure if this is the right spot to post this but Steve Arruda was one of the people who was injured in Las Vegas. He is a local Calgary guy and I am sure many of us have been reffed by him in local beer leagues. There is a fundraiser for some of the medical expenses he had during his injury. More here: https://www.youcaring.com/stevearruda-970661
Maybe someone that knows him better can chime in, but he works for UPS right? With the sunglasses and extra weight on him, I am trying to determine if it's the guy I think it is.
If it is, I've had a few good on ice arguments with him, and a few good chats in our dealership when he's dropped packages. I think it's him, just want to know for sure as it will determine how much I donate.
