[News] Flames announce 2017/18 opening day roster. Jankowski assigned to Stockton

[pepper24]

For a team that realistically is not going to contend this year I'd like to see young players Jankowski, Anderson, Klimchuk etc get their feet wet now so they are game ready for when we are contenders in a few years.


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[pepper24]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

But what the f good is being a call up.... for how long 2-3 years? The guy earned his shot for a full time gig plain and simple. They really have no choice but to put him on the 4th line because Mony, Backs and Bennett are the first 3 centres. And the first 3 sets of wings are set are they not? No one on the first 3 lines are going anywhere so you have 4th line guys as follows:



Stajan... Brouwer... Glass... Hamilton... Lazar



Two of these 4th liners need to go so Jankowski can even be on the team am I correct? I hope there’s a trade coming because if not Jankowski is getting royalty screwed

Hathaway as well


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[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by pepper24

For a team that realistically is not going to contend this year I'd like to see young players Jankowski, Anderson, Klimchuk etc get their feet wet now so they are game ready for when we are contenders in a few years.


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the flames are contenders this year

[Robbob]

I don't see how the flames can't be in the conversation. They are going to be right their for tops in the division. If they win the division why can't they be considered a contender.

[Sandman]

The way I see it, the coaching staff last year took a team that could barely keep their heads above water to being the league's hottest team down the stretch when the games get more difficult. I don't always agree with their decisions, but I'm pretty comfortable with letting them choose the team roster. Janko will be up sooner rather than later, and I'm ok with Glass and Stajan.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think a big part of it is everyone is looking at the situation in too narrow of a view. There are a bunch of factors in play. For one, every team is in the same boat jostling around to get their rosters settled for the roster limit deadline. Every GM knows this so it is all about keeping your flexibility, which the flames have done. Sending a vet through waivers has a couple drawbacks. You could lose the player or if they make it through you potentially waste cap space because you paying a hefty portion of the vets salary plus his replacement. Why go through any of that when you can move a player without impacting any of the assets you have and you don't paint yourself into a corner where another GM is waiting to pounce.

The first couple weeks teams are still evaluating their rosters. GMs are playing and reading each other and all it takes is a rookie to be sent down or an injury to occur and the dominos start to fall.

I have no doubt Jankowski plays a vast majority, but if it means the team needs him to play in the AHL a game or two until Treliving gets things settled, then so be it.

Your just trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense by inventing rational. Either Jankowski should have been demoted or he shouldn't of. Because there was plenty of opportunity not to demote him. (AKA demote F Hamilton).

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why do so many fans equate the opening day roster with the entire season's roster?

Every. Single. Year.

And every single year, the roster changes for game 2 (and again for game 3, and so on).

Jankowski will be back on the team ASAP. Quite possibly as quickly as game #2.

The hyperbole over this issue is ridiculous. Especially the 'always earned, never given' whine. Always earned doesn't necessarily have to apply to game #1 in the absolute.

Jankowski has earned a spot on the team. And he will have it. As soon as they can make it happen. Likely by game #2 or 3, I would bet.

Scratching him off Calder candidacy lists because he is going to miss game 1? lol

Part of my problem with this discussion is you had the same tone in the Tanner Glass thread calling anyone who didn't like it out for whining about the "earned never given" thing, concretely concluding Glass's four pre-season games proved he should get a contract.

I'm not overly upset about it (it's a league minimum easily demotable if it doesn't work) but I don't agree. He did throw a lot of hits and didn't look bad, but to me it was a tiny sample size for a guy who has a huge sample size of being a non-factor.

Putting that aside, you can't talk people down telling them to accept it because Glass earned it and then turn around and tell people not to be upset when Jankowski didn't (for now).

He has earned it and then some. In a much more meaningful and impactful way.

I said a page ago, I don't like it at all, but I understand this may be a paper transaction and he may not even leave Calgary this week. I'm sure he'll be back.

Still, the optics suck, and I can see why people are upset with the notion. Until we know he'll be back (and how soon), people have every right to be upset that our most talented prospect (who earned a spot) has been demoted on paper because we offered a one-way contract to guy who was awful in the AHL last year.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by pepper24

For a team that realistically is not going to contend this year I'd like to see young players Jankowski, Anderson, Klimchuk etc get their feet wet now so they are game ready for when we are contenders in a few years.


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What is the meaning of this nonsense. Fate does not wait for you to be ready.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Part of my problem with this discussion is you had the same tone in the Tanner Glass thread calling anyone who didn't like it out for whining about the "earned never given" thing, concretely concluding Glass's four pre-season games proved he should get a contract.

I'm not overly upset about it (it's a league minimum easily demotable if it doesn't work) but I don't agree. He did throw a lot of hits and didn't look bad, but to me it was a tiny sample size for a guy who has a huge sample size of being a non-factor.

Putting that aside, you can't talk people down telling them to accept it because Glass earned it and then turn around and tell people not to be upset when Jankowski didn't (for now).

He has earned it and then some. In a much more meaningful and impactful way.

I said a page ago, I don't like it at all, but I understand this may be a paper transaction and he may not even leave Calgary this week. I'm sure he'll be back.

Still, the optics suck, and I can see why people are upset with the notion. Until we know he'll be back (and how soon), people have every right to be upset that our most talented prospect (who earned a spot) has been demoted on paper because we offered a one-way contract to guy who was awful in the AHL last year.

Someone that opens a post with a generalized description of anyone that disagrees with him, types "Every. Single. Year." and then goes on to accuse people of hyperbole clearly isn't all that level in his/her posts.

I agree with most of your post. I don't think Glass equalled Jankowski being demoted. They could have simply demoted Hathaway and/or Hamilton to make space. But I agree that he earned a spot now, but will likely see a call up at some point in the future.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I don't think Glass equalled Jankowski being demoted. They could have simply demoted Hathaway and/or Hamilton to make space. But I agree that he earned a spot now, but will likely see a call up at some point in the future.

I didn't mean to imply it was the direct cause, but if I'm not mistaken if Glass wasn't offered a contract (which is something that I'm not a fan of) Jankowski wouldn't need to be sent down.

[jordo23]

MOD EDIT: No insults please.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Your just trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense by inventing rational. Either Jankowski should have been demoted or he shouldn't of. Because there was plenty of opportunity not to demote him. (AKA demote F Hamilton).

I still think this is what will essentially amount to a paper transaction. Maybe for a game or two he's sent down, but I believe he'll be back soon.

I honestly can't imagine how people think Treliving is doing this without a solid plan in place. It's like all the credit he has built up is immediately forgotten as the wild assumptions about what this means are jumped to.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I'm not saying it was a direct cause, but if I'm not mistaken if Glass wasn't offered a contract (which is something that I'm not a fan of) Jankowski wouldn't need to be sent down.

That is true. But if they were planning on playing him he would have been getting practice reps on the fourth line, not as an extra. So chances were he was being sent down anyway.

Hathaway is the likely demotion when Jagr is official and is the guy that Glass has bumped. Jankowski was probably competing for ice time with Stajan. If they aren't willing to sit Stajan then Jankowski gets sent down regardless to play instead of sitting the bench.

Which is too bad. I would have preferred to see Hamilton and Hathaway sent down now that we have Glass and Jankowski played over Stajan.

My guess is the Flames see the 4 line as a defensive checking line with the Monahan and Bennett line (now with Jagr) get the offensive minutes. And they aren't ready to trust Jankowski in that role (5 on 5 and the PK). They prefer Stajan in that role.

Which I don't agree with, but is at least a reason. Better then this "its complicated to send Hamilton down" stuff which is simply not true.

[iamca]

My biggest concern is still goaltending. I'll say this, Smith should be given the opportunity to prove he's worth the number one goalie, but Lack showed nothing that would indicate he's an NHL capable backup.

Scary if this strategy goes awry... then what?

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by kehatch

You are suggesting Hathaway and Hamilton are veterans where we need to explore all trade options before demoting them to the farm? Is Enoch suggesting it takes lots of time to figure out the complicated transaction of denoting Freddie Hamilton?

There was no reason the Flames couldn't have demoted Hamilton over Jankowski and sat Stajan as the 13 forward. Except that they chose to.

I can buy the argument that Hamilton deserved the spot over Jankowski. Or that they need Jankowski to play top minutes. Or thst Jankowski isn't ready. I don't agree with any of that. But those are arguments.

But suggesting that the Flames couldn't pull off putting Hamilton on waivers so they didn't have a choice but to demote Jankowski... Come on.

Well, Hathaway was already put on waivers (and cleared), so he can be sent down anytime in the next 30 days without having to go through waivers again.

From the opening night roster we're probably looking at this for lines tomorrow night:

Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Micheal Ferland
Matthew Tkachuk - Mikael Backlund - Michael Frolik
Kris Versteeg - Sam Bennett - Troy Brouwer
Tanner Glass - Matt Stajan - ?

The available options for the 4RW are Curtis Lazar, Freddie Hamilton and Garnet Hathaway. Let's assume Lazar in that spot for now. That leaves Hamilton and Hathaway as the extras.

Once Jagr gets here, Brouwer will slide down the 4RW and Jagr will slide in on the third line. Hathaway, who already cleared waivers, can be sent down. That would mean the fourth line is now:

Glass - Stajan - Brouwer

Your extras are Lazar and Hamilton.

So who do you sit in that situation to bring up Jankowski? Hamilton could get sent down, but you still need to sit someone in order to let Jankowski play.

You can say what you want about Matt Stajan, but he's been pretty good for a 4th line player. Last year he was 9th overall in P/60. He can't play big minutes, but he's exactly what you want from your 4th line. So he should probably stay in the lineup.

You could sit Glass, but since they brought him in for his toughness he's going to get some games, at least for awhile. But in theory you could have him and Jankowski rotating through the 4th line. However, that means Jankowski is only playing roughly 41 games this year and only playing about 8-10 minutes a night. That's not ideal.

The only other option would be to healthy scratch Brouwer and let Jankowski take his spot. The main problem there is that you're paying Brouwer $4.5M to sit in a press box. If you don't have room for him, it would be much better to try to trade him than to sit him upstairs every night.

So there you have it. At least for the foreseeable future, until someone gets moved or injured, I don't see how they make room for Jankowski. He's not going to play in the top 9. It's easy as it is to send Hamilton or Hathaway to the AHL, but it was never about who he could beat out as the 13th forward. There isn't anyone to take out of the lineup right now. Stajan plays well, Glass is already half out of the lineup and they need Brouwer to play in order to get traded.

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Part of my problem with this discussion is you had the same tone in the Tanner Glass thread calling anyone who didn't like it out for whining about the "earned never given" thing, concretely concluding Glass's four pre-season games proved he should get a contract.

I'm not overly upset about it (it's a league minimum easily demotable if it doesn't work) but I don't agree. He did throw a lot of hits and didn't look bad, but to me it was a tiny sample size for a guy who has a huge sample size of being a non-factor.

Putting that aside, you can't talk people down telling them to accept it because Glass earned it and then turn around and tell people not to be upset when Jankowski didn't (for now).

He has earned it and then some. In a much more meaningful and impactful way.

I said a page ago, I don't like it at all, but I understand this may be a paper transaction and he may not even leave Calgary this week. I'm sure he'll be back.

Still, the optics suck, and I can see why people are upset with the notion. Until we know he'll be back (and how soon), people have every right to be upset that our most talented prospect (who earned a spot) has been demoted on paper because we offered a one-way contract to guy who was awful in the AHL last year.

I'm okay with Tanner Glass getting a contract to be on the 4th line. I'm still shaking my head how Troy Brouwer earned a spot on the 3rd line tomorrow night and Jankowski didn't even get a spot. Don't even get me going with Hathaway and Hamilton.

This is a team that gave a spot on the top line to a guy that wasn't good enough to be part of the Senators last year. Also gave a spot to a defenseman who was washed up as well.

History repeats itself.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by the2bears

I still think this is what will essentially amount to a paper transaction. Maybe for a game or two he's sent down, but I believe he'll be back soon.

I honestly can't imagine how people think Treliving is doing this without a solid plan in place. It's like all the credit he has built up is immediately forgotten as the wild assumptions about what this means are jumped to.

I do think there is a plan in place. But the plan people are suggesting doesn't make sense. If they wanted Jankowski up immediately they would have him up. Hathaway has previously cleared waivers and could be sent down immediately. Hamilton has to clear but can clearly be sent down. There is no need to do a paper transaction.

As I said above, I think it is most likely they value Stajan as a defensive center. The Monahan and Bennett lines are offensive. Backlund can't do it all. Stajan runs the second pk unit and gives then another defensive option 5 on 5. They likely don't want Jankowski in that role. Either because they don't think he is ready or they don't want to develop him that way.

So they made the decision to demote Jankowski. I think Jankowski should be given a shot in that role and is better off playing in the NHL. My opinion.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Your just trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense by inventing rational. Either Jankowski should have been demoted or he shouldn't of. Because there was plenty of opportunity not to demote him. (AKA demote F Hamilton).

I'll give Treliving the benefit of doubt as he probably has a better sense of all the moving parts right now. Maybe from discussions he has a reason not to waive Hamilton. Maybe he has a plan and it involves needing Jankowski's flexibility. Time will tell. Every team is going through the same thing. LV isn't going to keep 10 dmen on the roster the whole year, they just me the necessary moves so they wouldn't risk losing anyone. Now that the deadline is over they can figure things out. The flames did the same thing, buying time without risk of losing an asset or cap space.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by tsquared1967

This is a team that gave a spot on the top line to a guy that wasn't good enough to be part of the Senators last year.

[Gaskal]

Think it was a matter of exposing Freddie to waivers, vs what is likely going to be a paper transaction for Janko.