Las Vegas Shooting: 50+ Dead 500+ Injured at Jason Aldean Concert

[blankall]

http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/las-veg...ing-slaughter/

Apparently he filmed the massacre and the leadup to it. Surely he must have also released some kind of statement saying why he did it? Law enforcement must be either following up on further investigations or waiting for the right moment to release his motives.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Meh, Australia has done this. It's not that hard. Look up their gun amnesty in 1996 following a mass shooting.

Australia is a much smaller country population wise. It's also relatively geographically isolated and doesn't have the same organized crime issues that America has. Getting rid of guns in America would be a much bigger challenge.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by blankall

Australia is a much smaller country population wise. It's also relatively geographically isolated and doesn't have the same organized crime issues that America has. Getting rid of guns in America would be a much bigger challenge.

So let's leave everything status quo because it'll be too hard for the poor politicians to enact change?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by blankall

Australia is a much smaller country population wise. It's also relatively geographically isolated and doesn't have the same organized crime issues that America has. Getting rid of guns in America would be a much bigger challenge.

Agreed, but some difficult things are worth doing.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

That's great you spoilered the one, but perhaps tell people there is a dead body in it.

Done.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by edslunch

There is no overnight fix, it will take generations. I compare it to smoking - laws got progressively tougher, people could still get them if they wanted, black markets did develop, but the main thing that happened is that smoking became socially unacceptable for the majority of people.

Societal norms and opinions changed. That has to happen wrt guns for there to be any progress, even if it takes decades.

Maybe we’ll have to pry that gun from Bubba’s cold dead hands but hopefully it will be his grandchild doing the prying and they will turn the weapon in.

I agree.

However, I think it'll be a hard point to sell. When you take guns away from the general population, but they see every criminal with them it's going to be very tough to continue to push an anti-gun agenda. People will forget all about the mass shootings after a few break-ins involving armed criminals now entering the homes of formerly armed innocents.

Even after several generations, the criminals will still be getting guns into the country.

I guess my point is that it's a complex issue. Taking an overly harsh line on gun control is likely to do more harm than good. The number of illegal guns in the USA is already huge. In order to stop the guns, you're going to need more of a global effort.

[calgarybornnraised]

According to the Sheriff during his press conference this loser did have cameras and even had one on a service cart outside his room.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

So let's leave everything status quo because it'll be too hard for the poor politicians to enact change?

Where would the funding come from for a buy-back? It would easily be in the hundreds of billions. And it would have to be a buy-back since you can’t just go door to door demanding to search for guns and then confiscate them. Heck, you couldn’t even get away with that in Canada

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by blankall

I agree.

However, I think it'll be a hard point to sell. When you take guns away from the general population, but they see every criminal with them it's going to be very tough to continue to push an anti-gun agenda. People will forget all about the mass shootings after a few break-ins involving armed criminals now entering the homes of formerly armed innocents.

Even after several generations, the criminals will still be getting guns into the country.

I guess my point is that it's a complex issue. Taking an overly harsh line on gun control is likely to do more harm than good. The number of illegal guns in the USA is already huge. In order to stop the guns, you're going to need more of a global effort.

It's unlikely, criminals in other countries smuggle guns from the US. No one is going the other way, it costs to much.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

It's unlikely, criminals in other countries smuggle guns from the US. No one is going the other way, it costs to much.

Now it does, but as soon as there is scarcity it'd go the other way. The cost of guns is relatively low when compared to the profits made from drugs.

My point is more that the USA is tied to the global economy in a way that many other nations are not. To truly change the culture in the USA, you'll need to address the issue at a supply side, which means curtailing gun manufacturing. This means getting cooperation from China and Russia.

[afc wimbledon]

The one thing I don't understand about all these numpties is why do they take so many guns with them? you are going to be shooting for 5 or 10 minutes tops before you are shot, what's with having every gun you own with you? what the hell do you think you are going to do with 23 guns?

That's excessive packing even by my ex wife's standards

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by blankall

Now it does, but as soon as there is scarcity it'd go the other way. The cost of guns is relatively low when compared to the profits made from drugs.

My point is more that the USA is tied to the global economy in a way that many other nations are not. To truly change the culture in the USA, you'll need to address the issue at a supply side, which means curtailing gun manufacturing. This means getting cooperation from China and Russia.

If you take away the legal U.S. market most of your foreign gun manufacturers will drop their civilian lines altogether, there is no other viable market

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The one thing I don't understand about all these numpties is why do they take so many guns with them? you are going to be shooting for 5 or 10 minutes tops before you are shot, what's with having every gun you own with you? what the hell do you think you are going to do with 23 guns?

That's excessive packing even by my ex wife's standards

Don't have to worry about reloading?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Don't have to worry about reloading?

This, why take the chance of a jam or take the extra seconds to reload?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

That is insane. I didn't know those existed.

It's actually genius, and scary.

Based on the pictures coming out from the guy's room, it looks like that's exactly the setup he had:

Photos obtained by local Boston affiliate Fox 25 and posted Tuesday offer a glimpse into the level of preparation by Paddock to carry out different styles of attacks in a frantic nine-minute window of intermittent gunfire.


One of the two images of rifles published by the station show an AR-15 type rifle with a bump or slide fire modification, said Cody Wilson, director of Defense Distributed, which primarily sells a gun milling machine.


Bump fire stocks, first made by the company Slide Fire, are legal modifications to the lower receiver of rifles that simulate automatic fire. The modified stock harnesses the energy from recoil, forcing the firing mechanism to move faster than originally designed, according to the Trace, a nonprofit website that examines gun violence in the United States. Numerous videos online, including from Slide Fire, demonstrate the mechanics.


The modified rifle with the bump fire mechanism includes a high-capacity magazine that can hold between 60 and 100 rounds, an EOTech holographic sight and a forward hand grip — a key accessory that allows a shooter to push the rifle away from the body in order to bounce, or bump, the weapon into the trigger finger.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...uns-different/

A completely legal accessory along with a completely legal (in 42 states at least) 60-100 round magazine. In many states (including Utah where he purchased at least some of his weapons) you don't need a license any kind of certification to buy everything you need to get that setup.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The one thing I don't understand about all these numpties is why do they take so many guns with them? you are going to be shooting for 5 or 10 minutes tops before you are shot, what's with having every gun you own with you? what the hell do you think you are going to do with 23 guns?

That's excessive packing even by my ex wife's standards

You're talking about a madman's end game playing out, I wouldn't look for too much rational thought. But like others mentioned, it's likely purposeful overkill as it's the final crazy act in the life a deranged individual.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The one thing I don't understand about all these numpties is why do they take so many guns with them? you are going to be shooting for 5 or 10 minutes tops before you are shot, what's with having every gun you own with you? what the hell do you think you are going to do with 23 guns?

That's excessive packing even by my ex wife's standards

I believe in this case , it was an hour from the moment of the first shot to the time SWAT was able to breach his room.

[Ducay]

FYI actual shooting lasted 9 minutes.

The Australian thing being re-posted ad-nauseum is false. There are still 2+ million firearms registered in Australia. So many more factors at play than just a ban on guns or a type of guns alone. Still lots of gun violence, whereas mass shootings are more of a cultural thing you might argue. Heck, look at the truck attacks in Barcelona or Nice. 89 killed in one case alone, so the issue is more crazy people than it is the method they use. We potentially could have seen less death with this method than had he plowed into the crowd leaving at full speed in a semi.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Where would the funding come from for a buy-back? It would easily be in the hundreds of billions. And it would have to be a buy-back since you can’t just go door to door demanding to search for guns and then confiscate them. Heck, you couldn’t even get away with that in Canada

It's the United States of America, they can spend more money to do pretty much anything.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Ducay

FYI actual shooting lasted 9 minutes.

The Australian thing being re-posted ad-nauseum is false. There are still 2+ million firearms registered in Australia. So many more factors at play than just a ban on guns or a type of guns alone. Still lots of gun violence, whereas mass shootings are more of a cultural thing you might argue. Heck, look at the truck attacks in Barcelona or Nice. 89 killed in one case alone, so the issue is more crazy people than it is the method they use. We potentially could have seen less death with this method than had he plowed into the crowd leaving at full speed in a semi.

LMAO

So basically the fact this man had access to a machine gun has nothing to do with this? Or the other hat full of mass shootings in recent us history?

You arent pro-gun are you?