Starting to look less likely that Jankowski makes opening day roster?

[Love]

So what more did Janowski have to do to make the team?

[Toonage]

I think he made the team but is victim to the numbers game for now. Flames need to make a trade to get rid of a vet but while that works its way through they need to "send Jankowski down" as he doesn't require waivers. Just easier this way.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Love

So what more did Janowski have to do to make the team?

Be 10 years older and worse at hockey?

...yeah, I'm pretty salty. That 4th line is just awful.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Love

So what more did Janowski have to do to make the team?

Go around taking charging penalties for missing the other team's players on charges.

[SuperMatt18]

Yup - the "good move, bad move" nature of the team strikes again.

We sign Jagr - Good.

But then still sign Glass and keep F.Hamilton - causing us to have to waive Hathaway and potentially send down Jankowski.

[killer_carlson]

I'm giving treliving until Monday to sort this out.

At this point I'm prepared to accept a buyout of stajan

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

At this point I'm prepared to accept a buyout of stajan

Isn't the buyout window closed?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I'm giving treliving until Monday to sort this out.

At this point I'm prepared to accept a buyout of stajan

I've got some bad news for you...

[Robbob]

I think people need to show a little bit of patience. There are a lot of moving parts and Jankowski is the easy player to move down, as he doesn't have to go through waivers. Right now it is all about roster flexibility until all the teams make the necessary changes for the roster limit deadline. The roster at 2pm MST will not be the roster that plays the vast majority of the games this year.

I think Jankowski can wait a game or two for things to settle.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The old "our 4th line players would be 2nd liners on other teams" argument. I really don't think so. Not many teams with worse RW depth than the Flames.

So you think Jagr, Ferland, Frolik, Hathaway is the worst set of RWs in the league? I disagree.

Brouwer isn't a 4th liner in the NHL. He's a 3rd liner in role. He could play a complimentary role on a 2nd line if you're desperate for a grinding player on that line. He's a 4th liner on the Flames because Ferland, Frolik and Jagr all slot in ahead of him. That doesn't mean he's a 4th liner on every team in the league. Pretty easy concept to understand.

Why did we sign him? Because he's a veteran, right shooting RW who supposedly plays physical. For EXACTLY those same reasons there could be other teams interested in him. The scouting reports and opinions of scouts and GMs across the league will be based on Brouwer's career, not just his play in CGY. GM's will often gives players a second chance. GM's will give a guy a chance to rebound.

It's not inconceivable that another team sees Brouwer as a better fit on their team than he appears to be in CGY.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

So you think Jagr, Ferland, Frolik, Hathaway is the worst set of RWs in the league? I disagree.

Brouwer isn't a 4th liner in the NHL. He's a 3rd liner in role. He could play a complimentary role on a 2nd line if you're desperate for a grinding player on that line. He's a 4th liner on the Flames because Ferland, Frolik and Jagr all slot in ahead of him. That doesn't mean he's a 4th liner on every team in the league. Pretty easy concept to understand.

Why did we sign him? Because he's a veteran, right shooting RW who supposedly plays physical. For EXACTLY those same reasons there could be other teams interested in him. The scouting reports and opinions of scouts and GMs across the league will be based on Brouwer's career, not just his play in CGY. GM's will often gives players a second chance. GM's will give a guy a chance to rebound.

It's not inconceivable that another team sees Brouwer as a better fit on their team than he appears to be in CGY.

He's a 4th liner because he's not good anymore.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I've got some bad news for you...

Argh......

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That's an awful 4th line, and I bet it gets exploited in the same way Grossman did in last year's season opener.

What's the point in Jankowski being here if he's going to be behind those 3 guys on the depth chart.

Grossman was exploited because our three most competent dmen were paired up with sleds that first night in Edmonton. A move that I still don't understand to this very day.

I don't mind Glass on the 4th line tomorrow night at all. Opening night and it'll give Kassian someone to scrap with. Obviously the 4th line is gonna be a revolving door for the first while. I'm fine with that. It's limited minutes as far as tomorrow night goes, so until a transaction or two goes down to get the right bodies here permanently, this is what we have.

Far worse headaches to have the day before the season begins.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Brouwer isn't a 4th liner in the NHL. He's a 3rd liner in role. He could play a complimentary role on a 2nd line if you're desperate for a grinding player on that line.

Generally teams that are desperate for a grinding player in a complimentary role expect that grinding player to do things like:

- retrieve loose pucks
- cycle without giving pucks away
- forecheck with good stick and body positioning
- close out with aggressive and intelligent defensive play

These elements generally are described as "grinding". An example would be Zach Hyman, a player who basically sucks at offense, but excels at grinding.

Brouwer does not bring these elements. That's because he's not a grinder. He's a floating goal scorer who gets inflated hit counts from always chasing the puck and historically getting copious power play and 5v5 ice time.

He's a 4th liner on the Flames because Ferland, Frolik and Jagr all slot in ahead of him. That doesn't mean he's a 4th liner on every team in the league. Pretty easy concept to understand.

No, he's a 4th liner on the Flames because he cannot function in a top 9 role on the Flames, or very likely any team that doesn't have a Backlund type to give him a Backlund Bump at the tradeoff of having an elite Backlund type line like 3M.

Why did we sign him?

Bad pro scouting and an overemphasis on off-ice factors like that time he called out Alexander Semin and apparently that was worth cap space.

Because he's a veteran, right shooting RW who supposedly plays physical. For EXACTLY those same reasons there could be other teams interested in him.

I'll say that yes, other teams might have bad pro scouting and an an overemphasis on off-ice so other teams might be interested in him.

It's not inconceivable that another team sees Brouwer as a better fit on their team than he appears to be in CGY.

No, it isn't. It is however foolish to think he's not actually a 4th liner. If anything, a 4th liner would be an upgrade on his production and influence on shot differentials last year, which was bad-AHL-callup level.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

"Earned, never given"

...unless you're a veteran. Then it's given, regardless of performance.

"Earned, Never Given" hasn't been a thing for a long time in terms of motivational phrase written on a locker room wall and is never an absolute in terms of managing a professional sports roster.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

So you think Jagr, Ferland, Frolik, Hathaway is the worst set of RWs in the league? I disagree.

Brouwer isn't a 4th liner in the NHL. He's a 3rd liner in role. He could play a complimentary role on a 2nd line if you're desperate for a grinding player on that line. He's a 4th liner on the Flames because Ferland, Frolik and Jagr all slot in ahead of him. That doesn't mean he's a 4th liner on every team in the league. Pretty easy concept to understand.

Why did we sign him? Because he's a veteran, right shooting RW who supposedly plays physical. For EXACTLY those same reasons there could be other teams interested in him. The scouting reports and opinions of scouts and GMs across the league will be based on Brouwer's career, not just his play in CGY. GM's will often gives players a second chance. GM's will give a guy a chance to rebound.

It's not inconceivable that another team sees Brouwer as a better fit on their team than he appears to be in CGY.

If you want to see the worst group of RW in the NHL you just have to look North.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you want to see the worst group of RW in the NHL you just have to look North.

Draisaitl
Yamamoto/Puljujarvi
Strome
Kassian


That's a pretty decent 1-5 on RW, even if Yamamoto gets sent down

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Draisaitl
Yamamoto/Puljujarvi
Strome
Kassian


That's a pretty decent 1-5 on RW, even if Yamamoto gets sent down

Pool Party is in the AHL
Strome is playing Center

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Draisaitl
Yamamoto/Puljujarvi
Strome
Kassian


That's a pretty decent 1-5 on RW, even if Yamamoto gets sent down

Except Poolparty can't receive a pass without bobbling it.

[442scotty]

What is happening with Jankowski is an absolute joke on the face of it. While we don’t know what is going to happen with him it could be a real slap in the face... I’m kinda pissed