[Rumour] Flames have possibly traded Brouwer?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Just checking to make sure I understand if this is the Flames play....

If Janko goes down now, and Hathaway goes down when Jagr comes in - that will put the flames at 14 forwards and Janko can't come back up unless Hamilton or Lazar get waived and demoted is that right?

Correct. Or they could deal a forward. That seems like a likely outcome IMO.

[GranteedEV]

I wonder if Lazar is enticing enough a plus for a team to take on Brouwer's contract. He's young and a former first round pick, and hasn't been put on waivers but also hasn't made the team.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I wonder if Lazar is enticing enough a plus for a team to take on Brouwer's contract. He's young and a former first round pick, and hasn't been put on waivers but also hasn't made the team.

I don't think it is unless salary is retained, especially if your wanting a #6 D back, which we are..... We soooo are.....

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

I don't think it is unless salary is retained

I'm very curious what Lazar's value around the league is. Calgary paid a #47 overall for him, and since then he's had a handful of decent NHL games (3P in 4GP) and a very forgettable, but not awful preseason. He's the ultimate mystery box. Like 2013 Joe Colborne.

especially if your wanting a #6 D back, which we are..... We soooo are.....

I'm not sure we are. Kulak at #6 and Bartkowski at #7 is a stable position to be in. The only problem is if the team overvalues preseason performance instead of actual ability / historical NHL performance.

I imagine the desired return for Troy Brouwer is future considerations. Anything else is a cherry-on-top.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I'm very curious what Lazar's value around the league is. Calgary paid a #47 overall for him, and since then he's had a handful of decent NHL games (3P in 4GP) and a very forgettable, but not awful preseason. He's the ultimate mystery box. Like 2013 Joe Colborne.



I'm not sure we are. Kulak at #6 and Bartkowski at #7 is a stable position to be in. The only problem is if the team overvalues preseason performance instead of actual ability / historical NHL performance.

I imagine the desired return for Troy Brouwer is future considerations. Anything else is a cherry-on-top.

Lazar is a mystery box, though the best case scenario is a only a canoe.

Canoes can be nice to have.

[Azure]

I highly doubt the Flames protect Lazer in the expansion draft only to trade him away. His value is probably lower today than it was when they acquired him.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Azure

I highly doubt the Flames protect Lazer in the expansion draft only to trade him away.

If you look at the net gain as 4.5 million in cap space over three years for a 47th overall pick, it's a pretty reasonable trade. That cap space could go to Jagr, Backlund, Ferland, Tkachuk, and Bennett. It's also real money, which is paid by the ownership.

I'd rather trade Lazar than a legitimate prospect like Kylington, Fox, Jankowski, Dubem, Valimaki, Andersson, or Phillips. We could even toss in Mason McDonald.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I wonder if Lazar is enticing enough a plus for a team to take on Brouwer's contract. He's young and a former first round pick, and hasn't been put on waivers but also hasn't made the team.

I doubt it, as it's two more contracts and cap space teams need to account for.

Not many teams can, or even want to, take on $4.5M over 3 more years.

Throwing in another player that needs to be on your roster, but isn't a certainty to even make the team (if it was based on merit), isn't that exciting.

[BrownDrake]

Brouwer is very tradeable

Many looking for a serviceable third liner with size that can play a second line role if necessary with injuries. They will likely look at last year compared to his recent season on the Flames as anomaly rather than a trend. He is a pro with a good attitude, this isn't Ribeiro. If you polled all other GM's they would gladly take him at $2.25 to $2.75 million per year...their in lies the problem.

Can we trade him for 33% to 50% retained and replace him with a young player to fill the 3rd or 4th line role at the league minimum? Or do you wait and see if he has a bounce back season, one less year and a better season than last makes him even more tradeable?

I say lets see if he is healthy and can bounce back instead of retaining salary/giving up a middling prospect to have him gone.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

Brouwer is very tradeable

Many looking for a serviceable third liner with size that can play a second line role if necessary with injuries. They will likely look at last year compared to his recent season on the Flames as anomaly rather than a trend. He is a pro with a good attitude, this isn't Ribeiro. If you polled all other GM's they would gladly take him at $2.25 to $2.75 million per year...their in lies the problem.

Can we trade him for 33% to 50% retained and replace him with a young player to fill the 3rd or 4th line role at the league minimum? Or do you wait and see if he has a bounce back season, one less year and a better season than last makes him even more tradeable?

I say lets see if he is healthy and can bounce back instead of retaining salary/giving up a middling prospect to have him gone.

Or potentially he's traded for another player that is overpaid or doesn't fit quite as well on their current team.

Brouwer IMO compares favourably to David Jones when we traded for him. Jones was making 4 million and had a few years left. We dealt Tanguay for him who we were somewhat desperate to trade for cap reasons. If David Jones @ 4 million can be traded then Troy Brouwer @ 4.5 million should be tradeable as well.

Vegas having only 10 forwards and having a surplus of 10 defensemen seems like a decent fit. I know I argued against it yesterday but it is making more sense to me now. Plus you have McPhee there who used to have Brouwer.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

I don't think it is unless salary is retained, especially if your wanting a #6 D back, which we are..... We soooo are.....

I disagree, I don't think a 6D is all that worrisome a need if it even is at all.

[dissentowner]

Vegas is seeming to make a ton of sense. Send Brouwer for one of their surplus D men.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Vegas is seeming to make a ton of sense. Send Brouwer for one of their surplus D men.

Starting to agree with that.

Also Brouwer on the 4th line is a quick ticket to him being bought out and possibly in PTO territory fast. He might be willing to waive for a top 6 opportunity. Once the Flames signed Jagr he had to know the only spot for him here is the 4th line.

Sbisa for Brouwer?

One more year at $3.6M and familiar with Gulutzan

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Starting to agree with that.

Also Brouwer on the 4th line is a quick ticket to him being bought out and possibly in PTO territory fast. He might be willing to waive for a top 6 opportunity. Once the Flames signed Jagr he had to know the only spot for him here is the 4th line.

Sbisa for Brouwer?

One more year at $3.6M and familiar with Gulutzan

Sbisa is so bad. Anyone but sbisa

[Flamescuprun2018]

Perhaps my wishful thinking but I see the following dominoes currently falling (there is no way VGK are going to play 2 defensemen on 4th line going forward, they have only 10 forwards on roster right now!):

1. Flames signal they are signing Jagr -DONE

2. Brouwer realizes that he now destined to have no PP time and play only 4RW minutes this year as a result. - DONE

3. Brouwer waives his NTC in the first two years of his contract so he can play somewhere with top 9 minutes as part of a trade. VGK is perfect option - HAPPENING NOW

4. McPhee then puts Stoner on IR to hide him for now while deal is worked out to avoid injury and make LGK compliant for 23 man roster today. Curiously I find no injury reports on Stoner anywhere on internet -DONE

5. Treliving and McPhee sit down and work out a deal that involves swapping one of their seven 3LD (Stoner) for Brouwer + something (either retained salary or prospect or both). Mason McDonald? Hopefully not David Rittich? We have more goalie prospects than minor league spots. Might need to sweeten further with a Hunter Shinkaruk or other forward prospect. -ONGOING NOW

6. Brouwer trade is made official- CP rejoices!

7. Flames then signs Jagr officially. - Jersey websites crash from spike in jersey sales

8. BT wins surprise mayoral election victory as a write in ballot candidate.

9. Flames get a new arena!

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

Sbisa is so bad. Anyone but sbisa

to get rid of Brouwer I would gladly take Sbisa.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

Sbisa is so bad. Anyone but sbisa

Bartkowski is also bad. The good thing about Sbisa is he would be the number 6 guy, can be physical, and most importantly only signed for one more year. A 1 for 1 trade frees up $900k this year and the full $4.5M the next 2 years.

[The Fonz]

I had no idea that Vegas only had 10 forwards on their roster...

Brouwer for Sbisa makes a lot of sense.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I had no idea that Vegas only had 10 forwards on their roster...

Brouwer for Sbisa makes a lot of sense.

It makes a lot of sense but would Brouwer waive to go to Vegas? Obviously no one knows.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Bartkowski is also bad. The good thing about Sbisa is he would be the number 6 guy, can be physical, and most importantly only signed for one more year. A 1 for 1 trade frees up $900k this year and the full $4.5M the next 2 years.

Vegas is not going to take Brouwer at full. It will most likely be Sbisa for Brouwer at 25% retained.