Bleh. I guess it's too much to hope they sign him to chuck knuckles with a few of those meatheads up in Edmonton, then waive him for the hope opener to make room for Jagr?
The Flames make no sense at times. I don't care that he's played well in a few pre season games against Ahlers.
He adds nothing that Hathaway can't do. Hathaway has been so good as a Flame and we just treat him like garbage but when a garbage player like Glass has a few good pre season games we think the glass is greener....
Give me Hathaway or even Hamilton any day over Glass.
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Glass is not an intimidating presence whatsoever, is a mediocre (at best) fighter, and his skill set is not NHL caliber. Garnett Hathaway can provide each and everyone of those aspects in addition to being a far better hockey player.
I know +/- is not always the best way to illustrate a player's ability but Tanner Glass sits 856th out of 890 active NHL players with a career -51. When you take into account his limited role, and a history of playing on what are very good teams that say's to me that he is not an NHL talent.
Tanner Glass is a liability. I don't see how this would be any different than Grossman "earning" a contract out of camp last season. We know what these players are capable of doing at this point in their careers.
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I am fine with a signing if he can bring it the way he did in preseason when he's in the lineup.
I am going to be unhappy to see guys like Lazar and Stajan make the roster at the expense of Jankowski not making the cut after having such a strong preseason.
No, he had a decent preseason. He has a very large sample size before that of being an awful 4th liner.
That's contradictory in itself.
If he was an awful 4th liner, he wouldn't have that very large sample size. Not on scrub teams either, he has mostly played on playoff teams and gone on two long playoff runs (2011 Canucks and 2015 Rangers, 20 GP and 19 GP.)
He might not be great, but you don't get to 500+ GP as an awful 4th liner. Clearly many GM's and coaches have thought he brings something.
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If he was an awful 4th liner, he wouldn't have that very large sample size. Not on scrub teams either, he has mostly played on playoff teams and gone on two long playoff runs (2011 Canucks and 2015 Rangers, 20 GP and 19 GP.)
He might not be great, but you don't get to 500+ GP as an awful 4th liner. Clearly many GM's and coaches have thought he brings something.
It's just the facepunching. That's mostly all it is.
GG is probably the most X's and 0s oriented coach in team history.
Glass is coming from an Alain vigneault coached roster highly dependent on X's and O's.
The flames struggled.last year with the complexity of GGs system. At times, there were games where it seemed like the team was pulling in different directions. There are lots of guys on the roster who don't necessarily need to compete every night; guys who feel they have another decade in the league. Players who feel like they need to set themselves up, worry about their icetime, their chances, their opportunity. Guys who may not necessarily feel the need to row together if they think it will help them get to a bigger or better boat.
Glass is smart. He learned the system. He excelled playing within it's confines. He knows his role on this team is to eat the bowls of #### that get served to him and play 8-14 minutes of punishing hockey per game and not make a peep.
This is his last kick at the can. He is motivated and appears to show up for each game prepared. I hazard to guess he won't be stumbling in with monahan and Gaudreau the day after Superbowl.
Based on the dud performances by everyone he was competing against, this isn't a surprise. Guys who are supposed to be younger, faster, hungrier. Guys who were supposed to hit harder, skate harder and score more. Guys who in the end weren't up to stealing a spot from a guy most of us had likely written off early.
Glass has what this team needs right now. This is his chance. He came to Calgary on a PTO for a reason. He wants to win.
Sign him up.
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Glass is not an intimidating presence whatsoever, is a mediocre (at best) fighter, and his skill set is not NHL caliber. Garnett Hathaway can provide each and everyone of those aspects in addition to being a far better hockey player.
I know +/- is not always the best way to illustrate a player's ability but Tanner Glass sits 856th out of 890 active NHL players with a career -51. When you take into account his limited role, and a history of playing on what are very good teams that say's to me that he is not an NHL talent.
Tanner Glass is a liability. I don't see how this would be any different than Grossman "earning" a contract out of camp last season. We know what these players are capable of doing at this point in their careers.
Grossman didn't play well last year in preseason, so his situation is different from Glass'. And the fact Glass was on very good teams means he was good enough for their rosters, right?
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I am fine with a signing if he can bring it the way he did in preseason when he's in the lineup.
I am going to be unhappy to see guys like Lazar and Stajan make the roster at the expense of Jankowski not making the cut after having such a strong preseason.
Preseason games are not the sum total of preseason performance. I imagine the practices have more to do with GG's decisions, and Treliving's too. Stajan has a body of work that factors in as well (Lazar not so much).
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He adds nothing that Hathaway can't do. Hathaway has been so good as a Flame and we just treat him like garbage but when a garbage player like Glass has a few good pre season games we think the glass is greener....
Hathaway is a marginal NHLer. He was given a new contract by Treliving. That's not "treating him like garbage". I think Treliving likes having options. And who says Glass isn't being given a two way deal and spends a fair bit of time in the minors?
If he was an awful 4th liner, he wouldn't have that very large sample size. Not on scrub teams either, he has mostly played on playoff teams and gone on two long playoff runs (2011 Canucks and 2015 Rangers, 20 GP and 19 GP.)
He might not be great, but you don't get to 500+ GP as an awful 4th liner. Clearly many GM's and coaches have thought he brings something.
This post is an illustration of the greatest fallacy in sports.
It's possible to be
1) Terrible
2) On a great team
3) Not recognized as terrible
4) A liability
simultaneously.
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It's just the facepunching. That's mostly all it is.
Not a lot of facepunching in the playoffs, yet every team he's played for seems to keep using him in in the postseason. Obviously small minutes but still, 67 playoff games is nothing to sneeze at. (3rd on the Flames after Jagr and Brouwer I think?)
Grossman didn't play well last year in preseason, so his situation is different from Glass'. And the fact Glass was on very good teams means he was good enough for their rosters, right?
No. Not necessarily. He is clearly a player that is valued for his hard work and ability to fit into a locker room. That does not suggest to me that he is currently good enough to help this team over the course of a full season. There is a reason he was toiling in the AHL just a year ago.
No, it doesn't. But it carries some weight. So you are entitled to disagree, but so are they, and they have a job on the line.
Glass' largely ####ty play over about a decade carries more weight with me than any bit of toughness he possesses or any small sample size of ONE good playoff + 3 decent preseason games does.
No. Not necessarily. He is clearly a player that is valued for his hard work and ability to fit into a locker room. That does not suggest to me that he is currently good enough to helpthis team over the course of a full season. There is a reason he was toiling in the AHL just a year ago.
That really has nothing to do with what I said. I talked about his past teams.
Anyway, you like Hathaway, right? Was he not "toiling in the minors" for much of last year? Does that mean he has nothing to contribute at the NHL level?
Anyway, he's going to be offered a tiny contract and given tiny minutes, and then, if he doesn't work out, he will be in the minors. Just like most fourth liners.
ETA: If he's going to be a black ace most games, working hard and being a good locker room guy is pretty valuable.
