10-02-2017, 10:55 AM
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#41
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by dammage79
I look at that name specifically and think theres a trade brewing, not with Hamilton involved specifically, but take away glass and they still have a jam.
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Versteeg-Bennett-Jagr
Remaining players:
Jankowski
Lazar
Hamilton
Stajan
Brouwer
Thats one too many unless they send Jankowki down simply because of waiver status. Which would be an atrocity IMO with how he has outplayed any of those remaining players by a fair margin.
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This would be 14 forwards, and it's fine to carry 14 forwards + 7 defencemen + 2 goalies (=23) right?
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10-02-2017, 10:56 AM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stone hands
Would rather have Hathaway over glass but I'm not too shaken about it. I know he outplayed him in the preseason but I really liked what I saw from Hathaway last season
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With the signing of Jagr, Glass is likely released to get the roster down to 23 bodies.
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10-02-2017, 10:57 AM
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#43
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Steinberg reporting Glass on the ice for practice this morning
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10-02-2017, 10:58 AM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern
This would be 14 forwards, and it's fine to carry 14 forwards + 7 defencemen + 2 goalies (=23) right?
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Yeah, I didn't include Glass though. Which seems a bit risky since he is indeed still with the team.
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10-02-2017, 10:59 AM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Steinberg reporting Glass on the ice for practice this morning
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Interesting. Then what will happen? Is there an injury we're not aware of yet? Maybe they won't officially release Glass until Jagr is official? Maybe a trade is in the works to send a guy like Stajan or Brouwer out of town for lower round picks?
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10-02-2017, 11:01 AM
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#46
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Interesting. Then what will happen? Is there an injury we're not aware of yet? Maybe they won't officially release Glass until Jagr is official? Maybe a trade is in the works to send a guy like Stajan or Brouwer out of town for lower round picks?
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Its very interesting. They sign Glass then we would need to see a trade. I wondered about buyouts, but not sure if thats an option or what the rule is regarding that.
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10-02-2017, 11:02 AM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Interesting. Then what will happen? Is there an injury we're not aware of yet? Maybe they won't officially release Glass until Jagr is official? Maybe a trade is in the works to send a guy like Stajan or Brouwer out of town for lower round picks?
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Thinking more about it.. wouldn't it be a ###### move by the Flames to trade a veteran this close to the season? Does ir happen often?
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10-02-2017, 11:07 AM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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Can't see how Hathaway is not better than Burmistrov / Archibald and Dorsett on the Canucks.... definitely no problem keeping him on the NHL roster.
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10-02-2017, 11:16 AM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Wouldn't be surprised if Hathaway is picked up. Easy guy to put on your 4th line and not hurt you. Saying that, if he is picked up by waivers, Flames fans shouldn't overreact because he is a 4th liner.
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10-02-2017, 11:19 AM
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#50
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In the Sin Bin
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Disappointing. Was hoping to see Hathaway cement that grinding 4th line winger role. But I guess with signing Jagr it bumps Brouwer down to that same role.
Hopefully Hathaway sneaks through but I could see him being picked up.
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10-02-2017, 11:21 AM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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How does the organization not have a Tanner Glass type player internally that is not demonstrably better than Tanner Glass?
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10-02-2017, 12:00 PM
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#52
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Are we sure that Glass will be getting a contract from the Flames? There is still another day before they need to make a decision about him, no? I just can't see how there is any room for him on this team.
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10-02-2017, 12:03 PM
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#53
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Practice days are limited here on out, id be shocked if they run lines with him in a spot and then tomorrow let him go.
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10-02-2017, 12:15 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Maybe a trade is in the works to send a guy like Stajan or Brouwer out of town for lower round picks?
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Vegas could have had either for nothing.
Kinda of sets their value.
They could only be moved with retained salary presumably. Or for a return contract.
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10-02-2017, 12:18 PM
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#55
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Vegas could have had either for nothing.
Kinda of sets their value.
They could only be moved with retained salary presumably. Or for a return contract.
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I wish people would stop trotting out the expansion draft as a denominator for every player's trade value. That is not how it works.
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10-02-2017, 12:25 PM
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#56
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Vegas could have had either for nothing.
Kinda of sets their value.
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No, that's not really how it works.
For starters they have NTC's so Vegas couldn't pick them to trade them. But for many other reasons your logic falls apart
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10-02-2017, 12:32 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
No, that's not really how it works.
For starters they have NTC's so Vegas couldn't pick them to trade them. But for many other reasons your logic falls apart
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But it shows that Vegas basically punted their pick rather than take on their contracts.
At the start of the year, when rosters and cap spaces are generally filled, moving those guys now is even harder.
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10-02-2017, 12:37 PM
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#58
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
But it shows that Vegas basically punted their pick rather than take on their contracts.
At the start of the year, when rosters and cap spaces are generally filled, moving those guys now is even harder.
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No it doesn't. Just because you believe Engelland was a punt doesn't mean it was. Defense is more important and valuable than forward. Engelland was one of the few defensemen available who brings a nice combination of toughness and leadership. Plenty of reasons why Engelland was more valuable to Vegas. And really that doesn't mean anything about Stajan or Brouwer's league wide value.
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10-02-2017, 01:26 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
How does the organization not have a Tanner Glass type player internally that is not demonstrably better than Tanner Glass?
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Good question, and one that I would put to those players who came into camp this year competing for that spot.
"Hey guys, all you have to do is be better than Tanner Glass. We're not setting the bar very high this year."
And yet, they were all worse than him. That's on those players who were given the chance to show something.
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10-02-2017, 01:27 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
No it doesn't. Just because you believe Engelland was a punt doesn't mean it was. Defense is more important and valuable than forward. Engelland was one of the few defensemen available who brings a nice combination of toughness and leadership. Plenty of reasons why Engelland was more valuable to Vegas. And really that doesn't mean anything about Stajan or Brouwer's league wide value.
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Engelland was a UFA. They could have signed him without picking him.
Everyone knew he was going to Vegas anyway.
It was a punt pure and simple.
Now I agree that values can change over time.
But I doubt anyone wants to take a full value Brouwers and Stajans. Money will need to be retained or salary returned.
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