Las Vegas Shooting: 50+ Dead 500+ Injured at Jason Aldean Concert

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

How would access to suppressors result in more gun deaths?

I’d say your statement is founded in knowledge gleaned from movies and a fundamental misunderstanding of what a suppressor is actual capable of doing

Do you honestly think more people wouldn't have died if the sound of the gunshots wasn't as loud? The desperate arguments people make for guns....sad and pathetic really.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

A semi-automatic weapon is much deadlier than full automatic weapon, IMO.

Unless it's bipod mounted and belt fed

From the videos I've seen, his rate of fire just seems insane. How is he hitting anything after 2 seconds? I saw someone on reddit mention it sounded like he was bump firing which is apparently a thing, which I had never heard of until last night. But I honestly couldn't hear the difference they were apparently hearing to make that determination.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Do you honestly think more people wouldn't have died if the sound of the gunshots wasn't as loud? The desperate arguments people make for guns....sad and pathetic really.

Reducing the sound of a gunshot to the 120db range would have zero effect on people dying. Contrary to what movies show, they don’t turn a gunshot into a little “pfft” sound that can’t be heard a few feet away.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

Unless it's bipod mounted and belt fed

From the videos I've seen, his rate of fire just seems insane. How is he hitting anything after 2 seconds? I saw someone on reddit mention it sounded like he was bump firing which is apparently a thing, which I had never heard of until last night. But I honestly couldn't hear the difference they were apparently hearing to make that determination.

it is the inconsistent rate of fire that is making people think that's what he was doing.

Too fast for semi-auto but too inconsistent for full auto.

[Bawbag]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

A semi-automatic weapon is much deadlier than full automatic weapon, IMO.

How so?

Not arguing. Just curious.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bawbag

How so?

Not arguing. Just curious.

Control and precision.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by blankall

I'm not trying to throw this discussion off course, but....

It's important to properly use the term terrorism for a couple of major reasons:

1. The way we deal with terrorism vs. deranged lone gunmen is totally different. Lone gunmen involve issues of gun control and mental health. Terrorism involves disrupting networks of people.

2. The impact of being targeted due to your ethnicity, political beliefs, religion, nationality, sexual orientation etc.. is entirely different and has impacts on whole communities. A random act of violence is horrific and significant but doesn't have the same effect on a population of people.

All i know is that from what I have seen on TV and read in news pieces...

22,000 people of every ethnicity/nationality/political bend/religion etc...were terrorized beyond belief as there was an attack and they were targeted out of the blue. Regardless of political agendas or lack thereof.


ter·ror·ize
ˈterəˌrīz/Submit
verb
create and maintain a state of extreme fear and distress in (someone); fill with terror

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Bawbag

How so?

Not arguing. Just curious.

Full auto is really only useful at close range. From long range you won't hit a thing past the first couple shots due to muzzle rise.

[Violator]

So far

58 dead

515 injured

Two canadians have been killed so far

28yr old alberta female as well as a

23yr old male from Maple Ridge B.C.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Bawbag

How so?

Not arguing. Just curious.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Control and precision.

Flash is correct.

You do not get the same type of precision with full auto unless you are talking a GPMG in sustained fire.

The rate of fire with semi-auto is far than enough to create a ####ing mess.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by transplant99

All i know is that from what I have seen on TV and read in news pieces...

22,000 people of every ethnicity/nationality/political bend/religion etc...were terrorized beyond belief as there was an attack and they were targeted out of the blue. Regardless of political agendas or lack thereof.


ter·ror·ize
ˈterəˌrīz/Submit
verb
create and maintain a state of extreme fear and distress in (someone); fill with terror

By that definition just about any act of violence or intimidation would be terrorism. The person who holds up the liquor store terrorizes the clerk. The guy who hits his wife, terrorizes his wife. The thief who breaks into someone's home terrorizes the inhabitants.

Once again, restricting the definition of terrorism is important for law enforcement and for the victims. All acts of violence are abhorrent, but terrorism has to be dealt with in a specific way and has a much broader impact on the victims than a mere random act of violence.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nik-

Unless it's bipod mounted and belt fed

From the videos I've seen, his rate of fire just seems insane. How is he hitting anything after 2 seconds? I saw someone on reddit mention it sounded like he was bump firing which is apparently a thing, which I had never heard of until last night. But I honestly couldn't hear the difference they were apparently hearing to make that determination.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

it is the inconsistent rate of fire that is making people think that's what he was doing.

Too fast for semi-auto but too inconsistent for full auto.

I haven't watched the video, and have no interest in doing so.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Governor of Nevada: "The shooting is an unprecedented event in our nation's history. We're going to have to learn from this"

The rest of us: "See you next mass shooting"

https://twitter.com/GunDeaths/status/914886427191603200

The last 72 hours of U.S. gun violence:
-242 total incidents
-153 gun deaths
-313+ gun injuries

Complete list: http://gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

They offered a follow-up tweet noting this is the deadliest 72 hours in the US this year. Implying that even with an American record shooting, there have been deadlier three-day periods for gun violence in previous years.

[Robo]

I understand this is correct but the mayor of navada called it a wmd he described it as a "weapon with a man of mass destruction" I wish at some point they would look at how this man of mass destruction got 10 incredibly deadly weapons.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Robo

I understand this is correct but the mayor of navada called it a wmd he described it as a "weapon with a man of mass destruction" I wish at some point they would look at how this man of mass destruction got 10 incredibly deadly weapons.

It's just not that hard. I won't be surprised if everything he used/owned was purchased legally.

[jar_e]

Names of the Canadian's released:

An Edmonton woman is among the nearly 60 dead in the Las Vegas massacre. CityNews Edmonton confirms that Jessica Klymchuk was killed during the mass shooting at a music festival on the Las Vegas strip.

A second Canadian, 23-year-old Jordan McIldoon of Vancouver, was also killed in the attack.

From 660 News email.

[Baron von Kriterium]

M240 MG allegedly. Belt-fed 7.62mm.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Reducing the sound of a gunshot to the 120db range would have zero effect on people dying. Contrary to what movies show, they don’t turn a gunshot into a little “pfft” sound that can’t be heard a few feet away.

Suppressors make it difficult to identify WHERE the shots are coming from.

And not for nothing, in what way could they not make it easier to kill someone?

[burn_this_city]

Single mother of 4

[Robo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It's just not that hard. I won't be surprised if everything he used/owned was purchased legally.

Yeah I know I'm just frustrated that this happens and they blame the guy but not his ease of getting the gun. There is no difference then this guy and the terrorist that attacked Edmonton the only difference was their ability to get a weapon that could kill easily it's awful.