[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I prefer a more positive approach of finding out who was prophetic. Caged Great looking good right anout now

After reading the first page I don’t know if “first line center by 14/15” looks much better than a negative response.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

After reading the first page I don’t know if “first line center by 14/15” looks much better than a negative response.

I was a little enthusiastic, plus look at the team's prospects at the time. There was nobody at all he was competing with. Then in the two years after both Bennett and Monahan fell into the Flames lap at the draft table. Nobody could have predicted that you would have players like that available when the Flames were still a quasi playoff challenger. I think that if they did not get those two and with Backlund emerging as a quality top 2 center, they would have pushed Janko's development ahead faster. However, when you have three guys all of a sudden that can play like those guys can after two decades of trying to find a quality center, there's no need to rush him at all.

It certainly hasn't hurt him spending the full 4 years in the NCAA or the added year in the A, which with how he tore it up down there, he would have been in the NHL full time if the Flames had the need to.

I also still think he has 1st line upside. My opinion on that hasn't changed.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

After reading the first page I don’t know if “first line center by 14/15” looks much better than a negative response.

Some posters don't think long term. Jankowshi was a great pick at the time, and continues to be a great pick.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I also still think he has 1st line upside. My opinion on that hasn't changed.

Nor should it! The prognostication might’ve been a Little generously urgent at the time, but he’s looking like he’s primed to excel at every level.

Can’t wait to see his rookie season.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nor should it! The prognostication might’ve been a Little generously urgent at the time, but he’s looking like he’s primed to excel at every level.

Can’t wait to see his rookie season.

Well, frankly I was expecting the Flames to drag out the rebuilding process so that way the first "bad year" was going to be in 2014-15.

I don't think the team expected to be as bad as they were in the lockout shortened season either. Thankfully things broke as they did so that way we can enjoy the contending team we have now.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

This pick feels so clever it just has to work out. If he had been born 2 days later he would've been draft eligible next year. The flames saw his skillet and guessed he'd be a guy who'd be a higher rated player next year. Look at it as the flames stealing a top 10 pick a year in advance

Gosh it feels good to have been on the right side of this since the start.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

I'll go on record as liking the pick.. Guy grew 6 SIX inches this season. Once he gets used to that growth and bulks a bit might translate into a real good prospect. Good hockey pedigree .
Big center smooth skater. Plus we get a 2nd

I like.

As long as we are quoting ourselves....

T@T was probably the earliest supporter calling for the pick before the Flames even made it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

As long as we are quoting ourselves....

T@T was probably the earliest supporter calling for the pick before the Flames even made it.

If we can't quote ourselves now, then when?

[GioforPM]

I like Jankowski a lot. But I do get weary of him being the proxy for pro and anti Feaster arguments. The fact he looks to be a good pickles to mean Feaste was an overall good GM. And vice versa.

What I do know is Treliving is better than Feaster.

[dammage79]

I'd say I really started to believe in Janko during the championship season in Providence. Never really doubted his development as he improved every season he played. But his play during the frozen 4 was a major reason they won the title. It was then I really felt like he was going to be the guy the management team thought he would be on draft day.

The debate raged hard.for years. The Janko thread in the AHL forum was a boiler room for the debate.

[stemit14]

Just looked back at the picks made in that 2012 draft... it's really funny to see the oilers with the nail yakupov pick... how much those fans bragged about him... I remember them saying things like "yakupov will be a 50 goal scorer with a centre like RNH." Ha!

Very pleased to see Janko looking poised to make the jump. He has all the skills and attributes to be an impact player in the NHL. I hope he gets some good linemates so he can keep his confidence up and have a strong rookie season.


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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I was a little enthusiastic, plus look at the team's prospects at the time. There was nobody at all he was competing with. Then in the two years after both Bennett and Monahan fell into the Flames lap at the draft table. Nobody could have predicted that you would have players like that available when the Flames were still a quasi playoff challenger. I think that if they did not get those two and with Backlund emerging as a quality top 2 center, they would have pushed Janko's development ahead faster. However, when you have three guys all of a sudden that can play like those guys can after two decades of trying to find a quality center, there's no need to rush him at all.

It certainly hasn't hurt him spending the full 4 years in the NCAA or the added year in the A, which with how he tore it up down there, he would have been in the NHL full time if the Flames had the need to.

I also still think he has 1st line upside. My opinion on that hasn't changed.

Which is why Trelivings statement that you cant "over cook" a prospect rings so true. Yet the opposite is all to common.

There are lots of guys that are just thrust into things to quickly and never recover. Im not sure there has been many, if any, that have taken the long progression road and never made it that should have.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Just looked back at the picks made in that 2012 draft... it's really funny to see the oilers with the nail yakupov pick... how much those fans bragged about him... I remember them saying things like "yakupov will be a 50 goal scorer with a centre like RNH." Ha!

Very pleased to see Janko looking poised to make the jump. He has all the skills and attributes to be an impact player in the NHL. I hope he gets some good linemates so he can keep his confidence up and have a strong rookie season.


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Well they weren't wrong. Yakupov was a 50 goal scorer with the Oil.

2012-13 Edmonton Oilers NHL 48 17 14 31 24 -4
2013-14 Edmonton Oilers NHL 63 11 13 24 36 -33
2014-15 Edmonton Oilers NHL 81 14 19 33 18 -35
2015-16 Edmonton Oilers NHL 60 8 15 23 24 -16

50 goals exactly in his 4 years with the Oil.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I like Jankowski a lot. But I do get weary of him being the proxy for pro and anti Feaster arguments. The fact he looks to be a good pickles to mean Feaste was an overall good GM. And vice versa.

What I do know is Treliving is better than Feaster.

For the record, in no way do I think Feaster was a good GM. I think he was unprofessional, I think he was weak, I think he was a clown.

But he did draft Sean, Johnny and Janko. Thanks are in order.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Which is why Trelivings statement that you cant "over cook" a prospect rings so true. Yet the opposite is all to common.

There are lots of guys that are just thrust into things to quickly and never recover. Im not sure there has been many, if any, that have taken the long progression road and never made it that should have.

Definitely. That's why I'm not opposed to parking all of Shinkaruk, Poirier, Klimchuk, Foo, Kylington, Andersson, etc in Stockton for another year. Nobody realistically is going to claim any of the potential waiver guys. It also allows them to get more experience and to see if they can take their games to the next level.

Time will eventually run out on a good portion of them if they don't start elevating themselves though, but it's better to find out whether they'll sink or swim playing 20 min a night in Stockton vs being over their heads at the NHL level.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

T@T was probably the earliest supporter calling for the pick before the Flames even made it.

Both he and I get that award there. Back before the pick happened, Roger Millions hosted this event that several CPers went to to get interviewed on their thoughts on who should be hired for the head coach and a few other things. After the interview the draft stuff came up and I was lamenting that the Flames were picking at 14 because that was too high to pick Janko and I wished the Flames were going to trade down because it was too much of a reach at 14, despite liking the player a lot. I believe KevanGuy made a crack about Jankowski being a football player not a hockey player.

The first time I saw Janko was late Feb 2012. Before seeing a clip of him I was actually in favour of dealing the pick as I thought all the other guys in the 10-30 range were more depth pieces if they hit their potential than guys with legit upside. Out of that group only Forsberg (who was rated as a top 10 guy at the time), Teravainen, Hertl and Pearson have shown any top 6 upside and Maatta would be the Flames #5/6 guy now, so it all worked out in the end anyway.

It wasn't a very good draft overall. What Feaster said about Janko could one day be the best player in the draft may actually become a reality or at least potentially in the conversation. There are only 6 guys that are higher end players Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Ghost Bear, Slavin, Parayko and Hampus Lindholm. Three late round D-men and three top 11 picks (3, 6, 11). It really was a bad draft.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I like Jankowski a lot. But I do get weary of him being the proxy for pro and anti Feaster arguments. The fact he looks to be a good pickles to mean Feaste was an overall good GM. And vice versa.

What I do know is Treliving is better than Feaster.

What is the basis of this seemingly common opinion?

Feaster had a ridiculously bad blunder with RoR for which he deserved to be fired, but aside from that didn't do a bad job whatsoever.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Well they weren't wrong. Yakupov was a 50 goal scorer with the Oil.

2012-13 Edmonton Oilers NHL 48 17 14 31 24 -4
2013-14 Edmonton Oilers NHL 63 11 13 24 36 -33
2014-15 Edmonton Oilers NHL 81 14 19 33 18 -35
2015-16 Edmonton Oilers NHL 60 8 15 23 24 -16

50 goals exactly in his 4 years with the Oil.

Completely off topic, but why did he drop off? I don't think his skill or effort changed much. Was it just deployment and sheltering? Linemates?

Or did Eakins really do a number on the kid?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

What is the basis of this seemingly common opinion?

Pretty much every trade. What Feaster did well was listen to his scouting staff and trust them to make some high-risk picks in Gaudreau and Jankowski. I believe this trust in the scouting staff has carried over to Treliving and thus is not negative for him either. But his trade record and contract negotiation has shown to be quite a bit better in the manager-to-manager and management-to-agent relations.

I don't think many other than a vocal minority would classify Feaster as having done a bad job necessarily. In fact, as a manager of a team in transition I think he did well to restock the cupboards with young talent (but much as stated above, his input there was really about him staying out of it). The expiring star trades were not great, but they are also subject to the market and the down-trending play of those individuals. I have pretty good word that the ROR potential fiasco and ironically the Jankowski reach were the main reasons for his dismissal, which I don't think you have to have inside info to figure out.

That said, I am very glad that Treliving is the one running this team during the win-now mode. He seems to be a much more competent team-builder, with a strong understanding of team chemistry and player personal development.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd say I really started to believe in Janko during the championship season in Providence. Never really doubted his development as he improved every season he played. But his play during the frozen 4 was a major reason they won the title. It was then I really felt like he was going to be the guy the management team thought he would be on draft day.

The debate raged hard.for years. The Janko thread in the AHL forum was a boiler room for the debate.

Yup we should bump that thread too pretty soon. If I recall, it's an ugly one and a lot of crow should be served.