Will the real Islam please stand up?

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by feartheflames

How is that lame, its a fact, WE ARE THE SECOND LARGEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD, what you are saying means that one small sect of extremists represents them all.. well then I guess the KKK represents all white people then right, You are ignorant, HOW IS THAT NOT PROPOGANDA, as for Jihad that happened ONCE and that happened when Muslims were being killed solely because they were muslims, Our prophet then allowed us to protect ourselves and our families. These men that are claiming JIHAD, ARE NOT PROPHETS, therefore it is NOT JIHAD... If you dont think propoganda exists in the American media, you are naive.

You aren't listening very well. I said toss out the dancing in the street example and it STILL dosen't change anything.

I hear the message from the extremists LOUD and CLEARLY that they are true Muslims.

I don't hear the messege from the supposedly majority at anything near the volume. It supposedly should be this vast majority drowing out a tiny minority but instead it's a whole lot of silence.

And I couldn't care less in a question of whether Muslims are what they proport to be about the American media.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Ha. "What I said isn't true? How lame of you to call me on it".



The strangest thing is that there are more than a billion Muslims in the world and even though they are all pro-terrorist and violent, almost every single one of them doesn't bother to do anything. I think the biggest problem in the Muslim world isn't terrorism but laziness. I mean come on, a billion violent terrorists and they couldn't even get 20 of them to board those planes? Sheesh.

On the other hand, a couple peace-loving Christian nations have about 200 thousand troops on the ground in a Muslim country. Now that is determination. The Muslims could take a lesson in anti-violence from us, of that there can be no doubt.

Ahhh the usual twist it to be this religion vs. that one or anti-religion or pro that one or the other one take.

You think IRAQ is the only place where the supposedly peace loving Muslims are creating trouble? How about bombings throughout the world? How about Sudan, Chad, Somalia and on and on and on?

And yes be thankful they aren't all on a a JIHAD but what does that have to do with them standing up against what supposedly the overwhelming majority of them dissaprove of?

[feartheflames]

also please note alot of the predominantly muslim countries, are 3rd world, they have been living under oppression, their lands are desolute, they are battling, famine, disease and countless others external issues. These people have never hurt anyone and are just trying to stay alive, by labelling them as terrorists and categorzing all of them, what does that prove Do you honestly think they have the abilities and resources to stand up against the Tyrants that supposedly represent them. as for you other argument -there are MANY, MANY muslim leaders that are anti terrorist- but then again It seems you only see what you want to see,

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I like that Revelations tells people not to try and interpret it, but doesn't stop any of the whackos from giving it a go.

Interesting although off topic. Where does Revelations tell people not to interpret it? I know we are not to add to it or take away from it. It also says that there is a blessing bestowed upon those who read it.

You do realize that one cannot go beyond quoting a passage word for word(in Greek) in a monotone voice before one could be accused of interpreting scriptures.

[Looger]

there's 4 major reasons that islam is the new 'bad guy':

1) media agenda
this is by FAR the most important. i just LOVE how the dancing palestinians were shown in the daylight - what time was it in the mideast during the 9/11 attacks again...?

2) western countries invading muslim countries
afghanistan, iraq, for oil interests is finally creating large numbers of terrorists. P2OG is paying off!

3) corporate sponsorship of terrorists
check where citibank profits go. holy ****ing moley batman!

4) SYNTHETIC TERROR
check the movie in my sig.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Ahhh the usual twist it to be this religion vs. that one or anti-religion or pro that one or the other one take.

You think IRAQ is the only place where the supposedly peace loving Muslims are creating trouble? How about bombings throughout the world? How about Sudan, Chad, Somalia and on and on and on?

And yes be thankful they aren't all on a a JIHAD but what does that have to do with them standing up against what supposedly the overwhelming majority of them dissaprove of?

I'm not twisting anything. All religions have their crazies. That is my point. To single one out and say "they aren't condemning violence enough for my liking" is ridiculous.

That being said, I don't think it's only the Muslims that are creating trouble in Iraq.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by feartheflames

also please note alot of the predominantly muslim countries, are 3rd world, they have been living under oppression, their lands are desolute, they are battling, famine, disease and countless others external issues. These people have never hurt anyone and are just trying to stay alive, by labelling them as terrorists and categorzing all of them, what does that prove Do you honestly think they have the abilities and resources to stand up against the Tyrants that supposedly represent them. as for you other argument -there are MANY, MANY muslim leaders that are anti terrorist- but then again It seems you only see what you want to see,

If you say so. I haven't heard their voice. They must be whispering their anti-terrorist comments.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

If you say so. I haven't heard their voice. They must be whispering their anti-terrorist comments.

you haven't looked.

you're looking in OUR media for a 'fair and balanced' viewpoint on what people in the mideast actually think?

Cowperson would at least google up some saudi-government / US government sponsored muslim propoganda to pounce on.

try talking to some muslims. and not just when you order a donair.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I'm not twisting anything. All religions have their crazies. That is my point. To single one out and say "they aren't condemning violence enough for my liking" is ridiculous.

That being said, I don't think it's only the Muslims that are creating trouble in Iraq.

It's far from ridiculous and indeed it's exactly what you would expect from them if they really believed what they say they do. Questions about other religions is what is ridiculous --it dosen't enter into this question. That is another topic.


I think the Muslims have largely bought into the terrorists agenda. Either by outright cooperation or by standing on the sidelines instead of VOCAL opposition.

[feartheflames]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

If you say so. I haven't heard their voice. They must be whispering their anti-terrorist comments.

where are you looking? I have been hearing them for years? I am muslim, I hear them everyday, they are doing their best to be heard. they are preaching patience, understanding and kindness. i guess that not what the media wants to see, so they don't televise it (thats an entirely different story). I am muslim I am trying to voice my opinion, but youre not willing to hear it. If your not willing to listen and the western media is not willing to play it... what more can we do?

[Lucky boy]

So what is your solution to muslims then Jonny?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Looger

you haven't looked.

you're looking in OUR media for a 'fair and balanced' viewpoint on what people in the mideast actually think?

Cowperson would at least google up some saudi-government / US government sponsored muslim propoganda to pounce on.

try talking to some muslims. and not just when you order a donair.

Why dont you dig up some links for us?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

You aren't listening very well. I said toss out the dancing in the street example and it STILL dosen't change anything.

I hear the message from the extremists LOUD and CLEARLY that they are true Muslims.

I don't hear the messege from the supposedly majority at anything near the volume. It supposedly should be this vast majority drowing out a tiny minority but instead it's a whole lot of silence.

And I couldn't care less in a question of whether Muslims are what they proport to be about the American media.

You don't hear it therefore it doesn't exist. Very good. You should know by now that the obvious nature of the media is to pick up on the most sensational element of the story. Gay republicans have received far more air-time than those decrying homosexuality. Are the straight republicans in the minority or silent on the issue? No. Are they less interesting? Yes. Hence the volume of their response--a volume moderated entirely by the media, is less. Seriously, I would think that every consumer of information in our society would know how this works. It's the same with peaceful Muslims. Doesn't matter if it's al-jazeera, fox, or cnn, peaceful Muslims will get less airtime than the radicals, regardless of their number or outspokenness. That's why terrorism is so effective: it allows a small group of people to control the agendas of entire nations through the media. They don't need the support of the rest of their population in order to be effective.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by feartheflames

where are you looking? I have been hearing them for years? I am muslim, I hear them everyday, they are doing their best to be heard. they are preaching patience, understanding and kindness. i guess that not what the media wants to see, so they don't televise it (thats an entirely different story). I am muslim I am trying to voice my opinion, but youre not willing to hear it. If your not willing to listen and the western media is not willing to play it... what more can we do?

Neuter the radicals in your midst?
Denounce the religion because it isnt clear enough wherein radicals can take their own meaning from scripture?
Yell louder? Afterall there are a billion Muslims. $1 from each Muslim should buy a lot of airtime.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Why dont you dig up some links for us?

why don't you?

EDIT:

the movie in my sig has two interviews on THE DAY of 7/7 in london of a private securiity executive detailing how they were running drills on bombings at the exact same places and times, same trains and buses.

also a FOX interview with a government talking head admitting that the brits had protected the 7/7 mastermind from american prosecution.

people don't read my links.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Looger

you haven't looked.

you're looking in OUR media for a 'fair and balanced' viewpoint on what people in the mideast actually think?

Cowperson would at least google up some saudi-government / US government sponsored muslim propoganda to pounce on.

try talking to some muslims. and not just when you order a donair.

Meaningless anti-media, conspiracy theory mush.

Show me the anti-terrorist demonstrations attended by hundreds of thousands using any media you care to. Show me the anti-Al Queda statements form prominent Ayotollah's in the Mideast and show me their HUGE campaigns to rid the Muslim world of this plaque. Show me the Muslims who in droves are turning in the terrorists to authoriities in countries around the world. Show me the acknowledged leader who has stood up repeatedly and condemned the terrorists and then organizing against them.

I'm not looking in our media --I'm looking ANYWHERE on the planet earth where this supposed INCREDIBLY BIG majority is doing anything about terrorism.
I

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Looger

why don't you?

LOL..because you said they were easy to find....and you suggested it.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Cheese

LOL..because you said they were easy to find....and you suggested it.

no, i said that OUR media isn't the place to look.

try israel's, it's more balanced on the muslim issue than ours.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by feartheflames

where are you looking? I have been hearing them for years? I am muslim, I hear them everyday, they are doing their best to be heard. they are preaching patience, understanding and kindness. i guess that not what the media wants to see, so they don't televise it (thats an entirely different story). I am muslim I am trying to voice my opinion, but youre not willing to hear it. If your not willing to listen and the western media is not willing to play it... what more can we do?

I'm looking everywhere and all I hear is the the usual excuse. The Western media control the entire planet and so despite the fact that virtually every Muslim in the world is preaching patience nobody hears the message because we don't want to. Hmmm sorry but no but the terrorists are making a HUGE NOISE and in reply I don't hear anything of significance.

Preaching is nice --maybe if your leaders were on out campaigning against it and you along with your fellow Muslims were out in the streets campaigning with them your voice might be noticed.

So if you are trying to get your message out you are doing a **** poor job!

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by octothorp

You don't hear it therefore it doesn't exist. Very good. You should know by now that the obvious nature of the media is to pick up on the most sensational element of the story. Gay republicans have received far more air-time than those decrying homosexuality. Are the straight republicans in the minority or silent on the issue? No. Are they less interesting? Yes. Hence the volume of their response--a volume moderated entirely by the media, is less. Seriously, I would think that every consumer of information in our society would know how this works. It's the same with peaceful Muslims. Doesn't matter if it's al-jazeera, fox, or cnn, peaceful Muslims will get less airtime than the radicals, regardless of their number or outspokenness. That's why terrorism is so effective: it allows a small group of people to control the agendas of entire nations through the media. They don't need the support of the rest of their population in order to be effective.

Yet we know leaders on both sides of the homosexuality issue. They are out there and prominently so and with followers who are equally noticeable. The anti-terrorist Muslim leader --Who would that be?