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[djsFlames]

What was that crap on 960?

Ugh. Flames game day and they have a football show on smack dab in the middle of the big show. Boooooo

[Jaydee]

Will a vancouver vpn get me the game?

[Love]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Personally, I'm watching the Edmonton game because I'm more interested in the defensive battle and I want to see the white jerseys in action (and #4 Tyler Wotherspoon). But pick whichever.

Most of the intrigue for me in is Edmonton, but I'll be watching both.

Bennett/Lazar/Foo/Poirier/Klimmer/Shinky even Cramarossa vs Glass

and then Kulak vs Bart vs Wotherspoon / Andersson vs Stone

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What was that crap on 960?

Ugh. Flames game day and they have a football show on smack dab in the middle of the big show. Boooooo

Yeah, a split squad game is totally reason to bump Bo Levi Mitchell.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Love

Most of the intrigue for me in is Edmonton, but I'll be watching both.

Bennett/Lazar/Foo/Poirier/Klimmer/Shinky even Cramarossa vs Glass

and then Kulak vs Bart vs Wotherspoon / Andersson vs Stone

I am also excited about a possible Rittich sighting.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

quick question, which game should i watch?

Both, you have two eyes for this reason.

[FiveSeven]

If you ever need access to any kind of stream.

I always have luck with Reddit NHL Stream, or Reddit UFC Stream, Reddit NFL stream, etc.

Always the best streams and very easy to navigate. It's illegal to HOST the stream not to watch the stream so not to worry.

[Plaedo]

Nm

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Lazar shouldn't be a lock

He's pretty much a lock. He'd have to be pretty bad to play himself off the roster.

You don't pay a 2nd rounder in trade and protect him in the expansion draft only to waive him and likely lose him for nothing a few months later.

Why shouldn't he be a lock? I think he's more of a lock than Jankowski. I think he's more of a lock than Hathaway and I've got Hathaway and Lazar pencilled in already.

[JFK]

I don't see Lazar as a lock. If he fumbles and plays poorly/guys play better he shouldn't make the team. Far from a lock.

Yeah, he was protected in the expansion draft but the Flames might have had the worst forward depth available at the time. A case could be made he wouldn't have been picked anyways and if he goes through waivers at the end of training camp I don't think he'd be picked up.

That doesn't mean he's a poor player, that doesn't mean he can't have a "breakout" year or prove he's an NHL'er.. he's just far from a lock.

[442scotty]

Lazar is a lock. They are going to give him a pretty long leash to get his game going... the whole year.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He's pretty much a lock. He'd have to be pretty bad to play himself off the roster.

You don't pay a 2nd rounder in trade and protect him in the expansion draft only to waive him and likely lose him for nothing a few months later.

Why shouldn't he be a lock? I think he's more of a lock than Jankowski. I think he's more of a lock than Hathaway and I've got Hathaway and Lazar pencilled in already.

Because he hasn't proven he's a lock? Because there are only 14 spots and he hasn't proven he is one of the 14 best forwards? Because he has career highs of 6 goals and 20 points? Because his underlying numbers indicate a player who struggles to generate offense or suppress offense the other way?

We paired hefty prices for a few guys the last few years.

Shinkaruk cost us Granlund whose return value was similar to a 2nd round pick IMO. Do they basically want to admit they gave away a 20 goal two way player for a waiver fodder? They probably want to give him every opportunity.
Poirier is a former first rounder. Do they want to waive a former first rounder if he fights his way into a roster spot? A guy Treliving has always been high on, whose struggles in the past may be gone?
Elliott cost us a 2nd round pick and they let him walk in UFA.

They will be prudent with Lazar since he cost them a second round pick, but that doesn't mean he should feel he has it locked down. It's possible that if he disappoints, he is flipped to another team for B-assets, which is the same as him not making the team. Waivers aren't the only outcome.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Because he hasn't proven he's a lock? Because there are only 14 spots and he hasn't proven he is one of the 14 best forwards? Because he has career highs of 6 goals and 20 points? Because his underlying numbers indicate a player who struggles to generate offense or suppress offense the other way?

We paired hefty prices for a few guys the last few years.

Shinkaruk cost us Granlund whose return value was similar to a 2nd round pick IMO. Do they basically want to admit they gave away a 20 goal two way player for a waiver fodder? They probably want to give him every opportunity.
Poirier is a former first rounder. Do they want to waive a former first rounder if he fights his way into a roster spot? A guy Treliving has always been high on, whose struggles in the past may be gone?
Elliott cost us a 2nd round pick and they let him walk in UFA.

They will be prudent with Lazar since he cost them a second round pick, but that doesn't mean he should feel he has it locked down. It's possible that if he disappoints, he is flipped to another team for B-assets, which is the same as him not making the team. Waivers aren't the only outcome.

Elliott would have cost another pick if we re-signed him, so it made sense to let him walk.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Well I'd say Poirier is MUCH more likely to pass through waivers. Lazar has played in the NHL. Poirier didn't play well in the minors last year. Pretty big difference there. We might put a lot of stock into his rehab work but other NHL teams aren't going to hand him an NHL spot before he's shown he can dominate the AHL again.

Shinkaruk was acquired for a price that's for sure. But we were looking at potentially losing Grandlund on waivers the following fall since the team didn't feel he had locked up a role in Calgary long term. But Shinkaruk wasn't an NHLer and never has been. Lazar has been an NHLer for a few years now.

You're right guys, Lazar isn't technically a lock since anyone might play themselves off the team. But I really don't see any scenarios in which he's waived. It's just not very realistic. He has a 95%+ chance of being on the roster come the start of the season IMO. Haven't seen any quotes from management or coaching staff saying Lazar is in tough to win a role. I think if he was a bubble player this camp then we wouldn't have protected him in the expansion draft and we would've protected Brouwer instead. Them protecting Lazar after acquiring him is a big vote of confidence in him, his abilities and his long term future here. You may see it differently, but we can agree to disagree.

Lazar has 180 NHL games to name. That's more than Sam Bennett has. You'd think from the way some people are talking about him that he's a completely unproven prospect or something. Yeah the start of his career hasn't been outstanding but there's a reason he made the NHL even if OTT rushed him. The kid is a gamer and has talent. I don't think he's in tough to make the team. He can be safely pencilled in IMO.

Here's a recent article on Lazar

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/f...ear-felt-lost/

[Chingas]

Can anyone explain to me why there is a flames channel on bell/Telus satellite? It never had any programming ever. This would be a good time to put it to use no?

[JFK]

We all know why Brouwer wasn't protected, and it had little to do with a faith in Lazar.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Can anyone explain to me why there is a flames channel on bell/Telus satellite? It never had any programming ever. This would be a good time to put it to use no?

Sportsnet Flames probably. An overrun channel when Sportsnet West isn't available for regional coverage. This isn't a Sportsnet broadcast so it won't be used.

[Moneyhands23]

Only minutes away

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by JFK

We all know why Brouwer wasn't protected, and it had little to do with a faith in Lazar.

Disagree. I think the price paid to acquire Lazar, his new 2 year deal, and him being protected all show a faith in his abilities.

If they didn't think Lazar would make the team I don't think they would have given him 2 years. They expect him to make the team. Is it possible he has the worst camp ever and they have to re-evaluate? I guess. But in all likelihood he'll make the team. He's more of a lock than anybody who didn't play here all year last year.

[Machiavelli]

It appears that we all have different definitions of what we consider a "lock."