Arena negotiation discussion. UPD: Flames release their proposal

[Bane]

Originally Posted by nik-

haha whoever asked that question about needing money that they won't pay back is a boss

He can't answer it. He'd have to admit that is EXACTLY what they want.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can make the argument that the ticket tax is Flames' revenue, although it's only lost revenue if they were going to jack the prices anyway and keep the extra profit, or if they don't jack the prices.

The 1/3 City contribution is from Flames revenue if it's repaid. But how how it's repaid is a huge difference. If it's through normal property tax that's one thing (although the City could waive or reduce the taxes). If it's through a surcharge to the tax or simple loan repayment plan, then, yeah for sure it's from Flames' revenue (and then the CBA gets impacted).

The ticket tax is sort of Flames revenue, but it is revenue that doesn't count as HRR and therefore doesn't get split with the players. So right there it's a huge savings for CSEC. They should be trying to grow the 'ticket tax' portion of the funding plan. That's one way the two sides could get closer together.

[GirlySports]

this presser has gone awry.

[greyshep]

I was honestly hoping to hear some valid arguments that would sway me to the Flames side on this, but this press conference has done completely the opposite.

And why do they need another week before they can release their offer?

I figure they should have just released their counter for public review today and not further damaged themselves by having King make a fool of himself, sounding like a spoiled kid trying to get public sympathy for his ludicrous arguments.

[MRCboicgy]

Listening to him drop Edmonton comments is like a FOI thread when ya bring up McDavid and its not edmonton

Now he's talking about the Coliseum in Rome..

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

"Both sides"?

Meant it more like I can't see any way someone sees this presser as anything other than a roaring tire fire inside of a car crash that's also on fire.

[peterh]

Their point is it is Public Infrastructure, they just happen to rent it so the Public should thrown in free money just like Edmonton, Winnipeg, Quebec City, Ottawa, Vancouver (GM Place), Toronto (BMO field).

[Flash Walken]

Flames unwilling to negotiate on a deal that isn't an ice district.

[Roughneck]

Who is this reporter? I like him.

[AC]

I'm pretty neutral on Ken King compared to most. But my god does he not come across well in this type of setting.

The vague threat about being able to make money elsewhere after Burke was on Jay & Dan saying they regret mentioning relocation.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I really hope for Ken's sake he's just doing what he's been told. In that scenario I definitely sympathize with him, this is degrading.

[CliffFletcher]

The Roman Colosseum was privately funded. Just saying.

[MacDaddy77]

ANSWER THE QUESTION?

What the Hell, great the reporter not letting it go

[Bingo]

What I don't get is the link between owners and King.

They can't be happy with that face on the negotiation, it plays really poorly. Do they agree with everything the guy has done tactically? If so then they are out of touch.

Or they cringe too but are reluctant to make a change because a) it will look bad? b) he's valuable in other areas for the company?

They didn't do themselves any favour in that mess.

[Toonage]

Suggested he should have used this to correct his (and ownership's) public persona.

He has not.

[stone hands]

it's interesting to see ken so far out of his element when not being lobbed fan960 flames radio mandated softballs by kerr and steinberg

[GGG]

Originally Posted by robaur

- If we were money-grabbing, we would have left Calgary a long time ago
- There are many better cities than Calgary to make money via Sports

Ken King quotes.

He really should say that "We will stay in Calgary as long as the fans support us with or without a new building. Our ability to spend to the cap will diminish as we miss out on other revenues a new building would provide but we will be here as long as the fans come through the door."

Make the fans feel that to be competitive means needing a new building but don't threaten to move.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Meant it more like I can't see any way someone sees this presser as anything other than a roaring tire fire inside of a car crash that's also on fire.

Yeah but Nenshi is a jerk.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Who is this reporter? I like him.

Believe Flash Walken identified him as Ryan Pike (Freeway).

[nik-]

haha holy #### King