Ban organized religion, says Elton John

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Dion

Just a response to the blanket statements made by churches who are against gays and lesbians. For them to suggest they are evil and have nothing to contribute to society......

Shame indeed.

You have any links to back that up?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Azure

Same reason why most people don't speak out on numerous issues.

Whats the use?

I see your point.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Dion

Try again. You made a assumption where I wanted another church to send out documents saying gay sex is right.

You do know what they say about assumptions.

It seems to me that is exactly what you want. Endorsing gay marriage...liket he United Church does..isn't enough. Now they are supposed to have active rallies...parades...and speakings...proclaiming their support for gay marriage.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Azure

It seems to me that is exactly what you want. Endorsing gay marriage...liket he United Church does..isn't enough. Now they are supposed to have active rallies...parades...and speakings...proclaiming their support for gay marriage.

We disagree on this. I don't support rallies, parades, and speaking.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Azure

You have any links to back that up?

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/main/index.html

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Dion

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/main/index.html

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Westboro Baptist Church has something like 100 members and is widely considered even by fundamentalist evangelical groups to be a bunch of whackos.

Try again.

[Calgaryborn]

Well as an Independent Baptist I believe that homosexuality is
a choice and a sin. God hates sin and will judge sinners whether
they be homosexuals or heterosexuals. There is not a movement
within Independent Baptist circles to pretend homosexuality isn't
a sin either. You would first have to diminish the authority of the
scriptures.

Elton John can wish what he wants. It won't change what is. As
far as the United Church goes here is an interesting article about the history of the United church which is quite accurate:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52905

Ted Byfield wrote it who I believe is Catholic.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Dion

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/main/index.html

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

I'm not normally in the business of defending churchies, but that clan of inbred dimwits don't represent Christianity or religion any more than Farmer John's sausages represent small town living.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by peter12

Westboro Baptist Church has something like 100 members and is widely considered even by fundamentalist evangelical groups to be a bunch of whackos.

Try again.

Rev. Sterling Clark, a Baptist pastor for almost 60 years, wrote most of the booklet at the centre of the controversy. The front-page headline on The Prophetic Word, which provoked the protest, reads: The Plague of this 21st Century: The Consequences of the sin of Homosexuality (AIDS).
The article holds homosexuality responsible for the deaths for AIDS victims and social problems related to AIDS. An editorial in the booklet states that homosexuals are not nation-builders because they do not have children "and thereby contribute to the death of a nation."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Story/National

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Well as an Independent Baptist I believe that homosexuality is
a choice and a sin. God hates sin and will judge sinners whether
they be homosexuals or heterosexuals. There is not a movement
within Independent Baptist circles to pretend homosexuality isn't
a sin either. You would first have to diminish the authority of the
scriptures.

So are you calling my gay friend, who said he had no choice in which gender he was interested in, who tried to force himself to date women in highschool just to conform, a liar then?

[Azure]

Oh please no...not this again.

BTW..Dion...one church doesn't give you the right to paint ALL of organized religion as bigots.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

So are you calling my gay friend, who said he had no choice in which gender he was interested in, who tried to force himself to date women in highschool just to conform, a liar then?

I cant understand the "its a choice" argument. How do any of us who may be heterosexual know if it is a choice? I would really like some religous type who belives it is a choice to anwser this for me.

Like honestly people would go through life long persecution and abuse for nothing? Just beacause they thought sleeping with dudes would be fun?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Well as an Independent Baptist I believe that homosexuality is
a choice and a sin. God hates sin and will judge sinners whether
they be homosexuals or heterosexuals. There is not a movement
within Independent Baptist circles to pretend homosexuality isn't
a sin either. You would first have to diminish the authority of the
scriptures.

Elton John can wish what he wants. It won't change what is. As
far as the United Church goes here is an interesting article about the history of the United church which is quite accurate:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52905

Ted Byfield wrote it who I believe is Catholic.

I have an uncle who is gay. He hates who he is and stated this was not a choice of his. He feels no attraction to the opposite sex.

Is he a liar in your books?

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Well as an Independent Baptist I believe that homosexuality is a choice and a sin. God hates sin and will judge sinners whether they be homosexuals or heterosexuals. There is not a movement
within Independent Baptist circles to pretend homosexuality isn't
a sin either. You would first have to diminish the authority of the
scriptures.

Game. Set. Match.

Those trying to prove that Christians can be tolerant and caring to other people will have to deal with the likes of above. Good luck.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Dion

Rev. Sterling Clark, a Baptist pastor for almost 60 years, wrote most of the booklet at the centre of the controversy. The front-page headline on The Prophetic Word, which provoked the protest, reads: The Plague of this 21st Century: The Consequences of the sin of Homosexuality (AIDS).
The article holds homosexuality responsible for the deaths for AIDS victims and social problems related to AIDS. An editorial in the booklet states that homosexuals are not nation-builders because they do not have children "and thereby contribute to the death of a nation."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Story/National

Come on man. There have to be plenty of examples of mainstream churches flying their homophobe flag. You don't have to pick the fringe wackos to make your point. I'm sure of it.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Dion

Try again. You made a assumption where I wanted another church to send out documents saying gay sex is right.

Oh...so you didn't say "Where are the news articles and phamplets countering the views of those spewing bigotry?"

Oh I am sorry must have been another Dion that said that.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Oh...so you didn't say "Where are the news articles and phamplets countering the views of those spewing bigotry?"

Oh I am sorry must have been another Dion that said that.

Knock off the sarcasm! Yes i said that but you made some assumptions suggesting what should be in those articles or phamplets.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Well as an Independent Baptist I believe that homosexuality is
a choice and a sin. God hates sin and will judge sinners whether
they be homosexuals or heterosexuals. There is not a movement
within Independent Baptist circles to pretend homosexuality isn't
a sin either. You would first have to diminish the authority of the
scriptures.

Elton John can wish what he wants. It won't change what is. As
far as the United Church goes here is an interesting article about the history of the United church which is quite accurate:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52905

Ted Byfield wrote it who I believe is Catholic.

It is not a gay persons choice to feel attracted to the same sex...just as it is not a hetro's choice that they feel attracted to the opposite sex. Right?? Right.

[CrusaderPi]

I don't really care what anybody said in this thread, but if ELTON JOHN said it, it must be true. Lord knows the entertainers are the true vanguards of our society. I say we do whatever celebrities say.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Dion

Knock off the sarcasm! Yes i said that but you made some assumptions suggesting what should be in those articles or phamplets.

Well what if those pamphlets originally said that bum sex was evil...shouldn't the UNited church send out a pamphlet countering...saying bum sex is not evil?