Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-12-2006, 10:47 AM   #1
jolinar of malkshor
#1 Goaltender
 
jolinar of malkshor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default Ban organized religion, says Elton John

"Organized religion fuels anti-gay discrimination and should be eliminated, pop star Elton John said in an interview published Saturday"

Coming from a guy who preaches that we should accept everyone. What a hypocrit. I would agree that organized religion causes many of the problems in the world.....coming out and saying we should ban it is way over the top.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2...imination.html
jolinar of malkshor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 11:08 AM   #2
Cheese
Franchise Player
 
Cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Exp:
Default

LOL...finally someone has the balls to step out and say what needs to be said. Bravo Elton, Bravo. I dont see the hypocrisy at all.

Who or what is more hypocritical than "religion, any religion?"
Quite frankly I cant think of a single thing or group that is.

I wonder how his pal, the Queen of England, will view his comment....or does she even care?

Good comment by Elton...
Organized religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate." John went on to question religious leaders for failing to put aside their differences to help solve conflicts around the world.

Last edited by Cheese; 11-12-2006 at 11:10 AM.
Cheese is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 11:19 AM   #3
MrMastodonFarm
Lifetime Suspension
 
MrMastodonFarm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor View Post
coming out and saying we should ban it is way over the top.
Is it anymore over the top then millions of people saying we should ban two consenting adults from getting married?
MrMastodonFarm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 11:19 AM   #4
jolinar of malkshor
#1 Goaltender
 
jolinar of malkshor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheese View Post
LOL...finally someone has the balls to step out and say what needs to be said. Bravo Elton, Bravo. I dont see the hypocrisy at all.

Who or what is more hypocritical than "religion, any religion?"
Quite frankly I cant think of a single thing or group that is.

I wonder how his pal, the Queen of England, will view his comment....or does she even care?

Good comment by Elton...
Organized religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate." John went on to question religious leaders for failing to put aside their differences to help solve conflicts around the world.
You don't see the hypocracy?? The guy has always been a champion of inclusion...everyone is equal and able to believe what they want without persecution. Now...because some people and some religions don't agree with him....they need to be banned? Ok then.
jolinar of malkshor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 11:20 AM   #5
jolinar of malkshor
#1 Goaltender
 
jolinar of malkshor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm View Post
Is it anymore over the top then millions of people saying we should ban two consenting adults from getting married?
No...and no where did I imply that it was. I guess two wrongs make a right??
jolinar of malkshor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 11:28 AM   #6
Resolute 14
In the Sin Bin
 
Resolute 14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheese View Post
Who or what is more hypocritical than "religion, any religion?"
Quite frankly I cant think of a single thing or group that is.
I dunno about "more hypocritical", but I can think of plenty that are equally hypocritical: politicians, governments, organized non-religion, basically, any organized group on earth.

And, most certantly, Elton John. He is preaching discrimination against religion to argue against descrimination against gays. That is the very height of hypocricy, not to mention an incredible show of arrogance.

Do as I say, not as I do...
Resolute 14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 11:33 AM   #7
Super-Rye
First Line Centre
 
Super-Rye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Religion should have as much say in who marries who as Elton John has in who can believe in what. Both sides should be zero say.
Super-Rye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 12:03 PM   #8
Crazy Flamer
First Line Centre
 
Crazy Flamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakeeye View Post
I dunno about "more hypocritical", but I can think of plenty that are equally hypocritical: politicians, governments, organized non-religion, basically, any organized group on earth.

And, most certantly, Elton John. He is preaching discrimination against religion to argue against descrimination against gays. That is the very height of hypocricy, not to mention an incredible show of arrogance.

Do as I say, not as I do...
Completely agree. Its seems to be quite a self serving statement for Elton John as well. And while the majority of religions to not view homosexual activity as moral, there are many religions, some even mainstream that to allow it and accept gays and lesbians into their community. Furthermore, many people who are involved with religions that do no accept homosexuals are working hard to change the views of their churches.

He is painting everyone with the same brush. Totally unfair.
__________________
Bleeding the Flaming C!!!
Crazy Flamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 12:03 PM   #9
CaptainCrunch
Norm!
 
CaptainCrunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Exp:
Default

Bingo super-rye. But Elton has it in his mind that his opinions, and his feelings about how the world should work supercedes all others.

Just another over the hill retreaded finished rockstar trying to gain media attention.
CaptainCrunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 12:30 PM   #10
Azure
Had an idea!
 
Azure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super-Rye View Post
Religion should have as much say in who marries who as Elton John has in who can believe in what. Both sides should be zero say.
Hence my belief that the Church and State should be completley seperated.
Azure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 12:31 PM   #11
peter12
Franchise Player
 
peter12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Exp:
Default

Haha fight intolerancy with more intolerancy. Great work Elton.
peter12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 01:08 PM   #12
Iowa_Flames_Fan
Referee
 
Iowa_Flames_Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azure View Post
Hence my belief that the Church and State should be completley seperated.

Agreed. And banning religion is not consistent with a separation of church and state. One of the principles of a free society is that people are free to associate with one another and form groups, whether those are political groups or groups that worship together.

You can't ban religion--a secular dictatorship is just as bad as a religious one.
Iowa_Flames_Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 01:09 PM   #13
jolinar of malkshor
#1 Goaltender
 
jolinar of malkshor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan View Post
Agreed. And banning religion is not consistent with a separation of church and state. One of the principles of a free society is that people are free to associate with one another and form groups, whether those are political groups or groups that worship together.

You can't ban religion--a secular dictatorship is just as bad as a religious one.
Eg: Iraq under Saddam
jolinar of malkshor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 01:19 PM   #14
Resolute 14
In the Sin Bin
 
Resolute 14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor View Post
Eg: Iraq under Saddam
China, USSR...
Resolute 14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 01:35 PM   #15
DementedReality
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super-Rye View Post
Religion should have as much say in who marries who as Elton John has in who can believe in what. Both sides should be zero say.
nail meet hammer.

good job.
DementedReality is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 01:42 PM   #16
Dion
Not a casual user
 
Dion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer View Post
Completely agree. Its seems to be quite a self serving statement for Elton John as well. And while the majority of religions to not view homosexual activity as moral, there are many religions, some even mainstream that to allow it and accept gays and lesbians into their community. Furthermore, many people who are involved with religions that do no accept homosexuals are working hard to change the views of their churches.

He is painting everyone with the same brush. Totally unfair.
Organised religion paints gays and lesbians with the same brush. The hatred and bigotry that spewes from religion is disghusting. The latest being the Canada Post incident in Vancouver where posties refused to deliver what they preceived to be hate mail. It's no coincidence that when gays and lesbians came out of the closet to proclaim who they are so did the bigotry from organised religion.

Yes there are some that aceept gays and lesbians but they are the very very small minority.
__________________
Dion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 01:43 PM   #17
Dion
Not a casual user
 
Dion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azure View Post
Hence my belief that the Church and State should be completley seperated.
My feelings exactly!
__________________
Dion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 01:59 PM   #18
Super-Rye
First Line Centre
 
Super-Rye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch View Post
Bingo super-rye. But Elton has it in his mind that his opinions, and his feelings about how the world should work supercedes all others.

Just another over the hill retreaded finished rockstar trying to gain media attention.
I live by the ideal that "Do what you want, and have fun, as long as what you want doesn't infringe on other peoples rights." I personally think that most organized religion is BS and nothing but a cash cow but I'm not about to run out and tell everyone that they shouldn't believe in whatever religion they believe in, it's their right.
Super-Rye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 02:18 PM   #19
Devils'Advocate
#1 Goaltender
 
Devils'Advocate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Exp:
Default

Uhm. People seem to be reading this wrong.

I would like to see cigarette smoking eliminated.
I would not like to see cigarette smoking banned.

And I'm in agreement with Elton.

I would like to see organized religion eliminated.
I would not like to see organized religion banned.
Devils'Advocate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 02:34 PM   #20
Azure
Had an idea!
 
Azure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dion View Post
Organised religion paints gays and lesbians with the same brush. The hatred and bigotry that spewes from religion is disghusting. The latest being the Canada Post incident in Vancouver where posties refused to deliver what they preceived to be hate mail. It's no coincidence that when gays and lesbians came out of the closet to proclaim who they are so did the bigotry from organised religion.

Yes there are some that aceept gays and lesbians but they are the very very small minority.
Good example of stereotyping. There are many, many sects within the realm of organized religion that have accepted gays and lesbians into their church.

Some don't because to them..its morally wrong. They have the right to that opinion.
Azure is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:53 AM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy