11-12-2006, 11:08 AM
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LOL...finally someone has the balls to step out and say what needs to be said. Bravo Elton, Bravo. I dont see the hypocrisy at all.
Who or what is more hypocritical than "religion, any religion?"
Quite frankly I cant think of a single thing or group that is.
I wonder how his pal, the Queen of England, will view his comment....or does she even care?
Good comment by Elton...
Organized religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate." John went on to question religious leaders for failing to put aside their differences to help solve conflicts around the world.
Last edited by Cheese; 11-12-2006 at 11:10 AM.
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11-12-2006, 11:19 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
coming out and saying we should ban it is way over the top.
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Is it anymore over the top then millions of people saying we should ban two consenting adults from getting married?
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11-12-2006, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheese
LOL...finally someone has the balls to step out and say what needs to be said. Bravo Elton, Bravo. I dont see the hypocrisy at all.
Who or what is more hypocritical than "religion, any religion?"
Quite frankly I cant think of a single thing or group that is.
I wonder how his pal, the Queen of England, will view his comment....or does she even care?
Good comment by Elton...
Organized religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate." John went on to question religious leaders for failing to put aside their differences to help solve conflicts around the world.
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You don't see the hypocracy?? The guy has always been a champion of inclusion...everyone is equal and able to believe what they want without persecution. Now...because some people and some religions don't agree with him....they need to be banned? Ok then.
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11-12-2006, 11:20 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Is it anymore over the top then millions of people saying we should ban two consenting adults from getting married?
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No...and no where did I imply that it was. I guess two wrongs make a right??
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11-12-2006, 11:28 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheese
Who or what is more hypocritical than "religion, any religion?"
Quite frankly I cant think of a single thing or group that is.
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I dunno about "more hypocritical", but I can think of plenty that are equally hypocritical: politicians, governments, organized non-religion, basically, any organized group on earth.
And, most certantly, Elton John. He is preaching discrimination against religion to argue against descrimination against gays. That is the very height of hypocricy, not to mention an incredible show of arrogance.
Do as I say, not as I do...
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11-12-2006, 11:33 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary
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Religion should have as much say in who marries who as Elton John has in who can believe in what. Both sides should be zero say.
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11-12-2006, 12:03 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Snakeeye
I dunno about "more hypocritical", but I can think of plenty that are equally hypocritical: politicians, governments, organized non-religion, basically, any organized group on earth.
And, most certantly, Elton John. He is preaching discrimination against religion to argue against descrimination against gays. That is the very height of hypocricy, not to mention an incredible show of arrogance.
Do as I say, not as I do...
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Completely agree. Its seems to be quite a self serving statement for Elton John as well. And while the majority of religions to not view homosexual activity as moral, there are many religions, some even mainstream that to allow it and accept gays and lesbians into their community. Furthermore, many people who are involved with religions that do no accept homosexuals are working hard to change the views of their churches.
He is painting everyone with the same brush. Totally unfair.
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11-12-2006, 12:03 PM
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Norm!
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Bingo super-rye. But Elton has it in his mind that his opinions, and his feelings about how the world should work supercedes all others.
Just another over the hill retreaded finished rockstar trying to gain media attention.
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11-12-2006, 12:30 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Super-Rye
Religion should have as much say in who marries who as Elton John has in who can believe in what. Both sides should be zero say.
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Hence my belief that the Church and State should be completley seperated.
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11-12-2006, 12:31 PM
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Haha fight intolerancy with more intolerancy. Great work Elton.
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11-12-2006, 01:08 PM
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Referee
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
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Originally Posted by Azure
Hence my belief that the Church and State should be completley seperated.
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Agreed. And banning religion is not consistent with a separation of church and state. One of the principles of a free society is that people are free to associate with one another and form groups, whether those are political groups or groups that worship together.
You can't ban religion--a secular dictatorship is just as bad as a religious one.
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11-12-2006, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
Agreed. And banning religion is not consistent with a separation of church and state. One of the principles of a free society is that people are free to associate with one another and form groups, whether those are political groups or groups that worship together.
You can't ban religion--a secular dictatorship is just as bad as a religious one.
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Eg: Iraq under Saddam
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11-12-2006, 01:19 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
Eg: Iraq under Saddam
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China, USSR...
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11-12-2006, 01:35 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Super-Rye
Religion should have as much say in who marries who as Elton John has in who can believe in what. Both sides should be zero say.
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nail meet hammer.
good job.
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11-12-2006, 01:42 PM
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer
Completely agree. Its seems to be quite a self serving statement for Elton John as well. And while the majority of religions to not view homosexual activity as moral, there are many religions, some even mainstream that to allow it and accept gays and lesbians into their community. Furthermore, many people who are involved with religions that do no accept homosexuals are working hard to change the views of their churches.
He is painting everyone with the same brush. Totally unfair.
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Organised religion paints gays and lesbians with the same brush. The hatred and bigotry that spewes from religion is disghusting. The latest being the Canada Post incident in Vancouver where posties refused to deliver what they preceived to be hate mail. It's no coincidence that when gays and lesbians came out of the closet to proclaim who they are so did the bigotry from organised religion.
Yes there are some that aceept gays and lesbians but they are the very very small minority.
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11-12-2006, 01:43 PM
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Originally Posted by Azure
Hence my belief that the Church and State should be completley seperated.
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My feelings exactly!
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11-12-2006, 01:59 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Bingo super-rye. But Elton has it in his mind that his opinions, and his feelings about how the world should work supercedes all others.
Just another over the hill retreaded finished rockstar trying to gain media attention.
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I live by the ideal that "Do what you want, and have fun, as long as what you want doesn't infringe on other peoples rights." I personally think that most organized religion is BS and nothing but a cash cow but I'm not about to run out and tell everyone that they shouldn't believe in whatever religion they believe in, it's their right.
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11-12-2006, 02:18 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Uhm. People seem to be reading this wrong.
I would like to see cigarette smoking eliminated.
I would not like to see cigarette smoking banned.
And I'm in agreement with Elton.
I would like to see organized religion eliminated.
I would not like to see organized religion banned.
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11-12-2006, 02:34 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Dion
Organised religion paints gays and lesbians with the same brush. The hatred and bigotry that spewes from religion is disghusting. The latest being the Canada Post incident in Vancouver where posties refused to deliver what they preceived to be hate mail. It's no coincidence that when gays and lesbians came out of the closet to proclaim who they are so did the bigotry from organised religion.
Yes there are some that aceept gays and lesbians but they are the very very small minority.
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Good example of stereotyping. There are many, many sects within the realm of organized religion that have accepted gays and lesbians into their church.
Some don't because to them..its morally wrong. They have the right to that opinion.
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