[News] Dreger: Still sizable gap between Bennett and Flames

[Coach]

Originally Posted by hayduke's dad

Thank God you had spell check for "Apollo". NHL is the best league no doubt. so by what your saying Troy Brouwer who never played with 251 players who finished ahead of Sam Bennett in NHL scoring (260-9 flames who scored more than Bennet in case that Apollo'd you Rocket Scientist) is considered Elite in his field as well.

Brouwer played 7 less games and scored 1 less point than Bennett. Most people in this forum believe he shouldn't play in the NHL while at same point figuring Bennett deserves more money cause he is young and has talent.

I will always believe that you should be paid for what you do not your potential.
No Apollo Mission on that thought for you to miss. Once he starts putting bigger numbers up then he should be considered for a raise. If he want to sign a short contract to have more bargaining power after a couple good seasons all the power to him.

Yes. His field is hockey. And he is in the top 0.1% of hockey players on earth, despite relatively underperforming.

No one is saying Bennett should be getting paid elite money. But through his hard work he has earned his way to the elite of his field and the ability to pay someone who speaks on his behalf in regards to salary and that person is doing what they can to maximize their client's (and their own) compensation. Why? Because a 20 year old with barely a high school education is not in a position to debate contracts with professionals.

You're acting like he was just gifted this entire road of being a 20 year old NHL hockey player.

And your also forgetting the key point that this is a BS unsubstantiated rumor that I 100% guarantee did NOT come from Sam Bennett's mouth.

[Gaudfather]

Here is a hit that Treliving did on NHL radio today.

Re Bennett he says "we have every expectation that we will get something done" https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmnhl/f...the-power-play

(he talked about Bennett in the first two mins)

Re Jagr - he said "no comment"

[robaur]

69 points in 174 games.

That's a 33 point pace per 82 games.

I don't see him getting term or money.

At this point, it's his draft rank that has him on the Flames roster. Nothing else.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by robaur

69 points in 174 games.

That's a 33 point pace per 82 games.

I don't see him getting term or money.

At this point, it's his draft rank that has him on the Flames roster. Nothing else.

33points is probably pretty average production from a third line centre. And his game brings a lot more to the ice than just points (see video ac posted).

Stop speaking in hyperbole, he would be on the roster regardless of where he was drafted.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by robaur

69 points in 174 games.

That's a 33 point pace per 82 games.

I don't see him getting term or money.

At this point, it's his draft rank that has him on the Flames roster. Nothing else.

I suggest you watch AC's latest video. Saying his draft rank is the only thing that has him on the roster is a gross exaggeration.

It will be fun revisiting these conversations a year or two from now when you'll be conceding this too isn't one of your finer moments.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by robaur

69 points in 174 games.

That's a 33 point pace per 82 games.

I don't see him getting term or money.

At this point, it's his draft rank that has him on the Flames roster. Nothing else.

Yeah, no.

Bennett was one of our 2 or 3 best forwards in the playoffs. He is already a solid 3rd line C, with flashes of being quite a bit better than that. And he has all the ability in the world to become a top 6 C.

Suggesting he hasn't earned his spot on the roster is laughable.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I suggest you watch AC's latest video. Saying his draft rank is the only thing that has him on the roster is a gross exaggeration.

It will be fun revisiting these conversations a year or two from now when you'll be conceding this too isn't one of your finer moments.

My point being that his body of work doesn't award him a contract of any significant term or $ AAV.

Nowhere did I say he doesn't have the potential to turn into a significant contributor for the team in the future.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, no.

Bennett was one of our 2 or 3 best forwards in the playoffs. He is already a solid 3rd line C, with flashes of being quite a bit better than that. And he has all the ability in the world to become a top 6 C.

Suggesting he hasn't earned his spot on the roster is laughable.

Playoff performances really need to be discounted. It was a short 4 game series in the span of a week. It wasn't a long, deep run into the 2nd or 3rd round.

If Bennett wasn't drafted 4th overall, I can bet you that he would have been sent down to the AHL to work on some things. What has kept him up is where he got drafted. He had a terrible year. Anyone saying otherwise off the basis of a highlight video is not accurately representing the facts. Bennett's draft position has acted like plot armour does for movie heroes.

If he doesn't up his game this season, I can totally see him losing his spot to Mark Jankowski. It's time for him to turn the corner and start putting up the kind of results that he has the potential for.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by robaur

My point being that his body of work doesn't award him a contract of any significant term or $ AAV.

Nowhere did I say he doesn't have the potential to turn into a significant contributor for the team in the future.

No, you just suggested he's not currently good enough to be on the roster at all.

If you took a look at the outlandish, overstated things you say you might not need to apologize for them down the road.

There's just no need to label the kid arrogant when we have no idea what the terms being discussed are, and you can question his point totals to date without suggesting he doesn't belong on the team at present. Your hyperbole is off the charts.

[Bingo]

Kristen Odland‏Verified account @Kristen_Odland 13m13 minutes ago

Just spoke to #Flames GM Brad Treliving: “We’re not really focused on threats" & added he hopes to have something done before training camp.

[D as in David]

Isn't the bigger concern that a training camp holdout results in a new user called "Bennoverttime" joining this forum?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by hayduke's dad

Yup 26 points puts him about right up there with Croby, McDavid, and oh yeah wait Antoine Vermette only outscored him by 2 points.



Screw him go overseas. These guys are overpaid whiners. 26 points a year should not get you over $1million.



outscored by Jeff Petry (D), Zach Hyman(who?) Dion oh wait for it Phaneuf



Sorry being tied for 280th in league scoring does not put you in the most talented category. Probably guys with more talent who drank it away.

Yes, it does put you in the most talented category. Even fringe NHL players are in the absolute top of the talent pool of their field. That pool is the NHL and it is highly exclusive. Also, he gets paid what the market says he gets paid. Why don't you complain about the millions the owners make? Where do you suggest the money that the these 'whiny' players don't deserve goes? More for the owners? We all support pro hockey, so we all support the high salaries.


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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Radio

It's up to Bennett to push those two behind him isn't it? To out play them, become better than them and force them to play behind him. Isn't that reaching his full potential?

Gilmour didn't win any cups as Toronto's top line centre. All he really achieved after leaving was getting kissed by Don Cherry.

Not that Bennett showed enough to earn a big buck long term deal the Flames have not done a heck of a lot to make him look good.

Draisatl gets McDavid or Lucic 8 x 8.5
Monahan gets Gaudreau. 7 x 6.375
Barkov gets Hurbedeau and Jagr 6 X 5.9
Schiefele gets Wheeler/Laine/Ehlers 8 x 6.25

Sam Reinhart gets Eichel. TBD

Bennett gets Chaisson/Brouwer/Versteeg

Put any one of the first 4 on the lines that Bennett has to play on and they would be playing on a bridge deal.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by robaur

At this point, it's his draft rank that has him on the Flames roster. Nothing else.

Remember how just earlier in this thread you were atoning for previous silly comments about another player?
Don't "robaur" yourself twice in a calendar year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by robaur

69 points in 174 games.

That's a 33 point pace per 82 games.

I don't see him getting term or money.

At this point, it's his draft rank that has him on the Flames roster. Nothing else.

Ridiculous assessment in my eyes.

If you failed to see the growth in his game last year, then so be it - but we've had our GM and Head Coach praise Bennett this off-season.

All I can say is that strongly disagree with your assessment, and question your patience when it comes to player development. Time will tell all.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Not that Bennett showed enough to earn a big buck long term deal the Flames have not done a heck of a lot to make him look good.

Draisatl gets McDavid or Lucic 8 x 8.5
Monahan gets Gaudreau. 7 x 6.375
Barkov gets Hurbedeau and Jagr 6 X 5.9
Schiefele gets Wheeler/Laine/Ehlers 8 x 6.25

Sam Reinhart gets Eichel. TBD

Bennett gets Chaisson/Brouwer/Versteeg

Put any one of the first 4 on the lines that Bennett has to play on and they would be playing on a bridge deal.

This is exactly the problem. Can't fault a guy for looking around the league at all the young players playing in top 6 roles with heavy PP time and get frustrated because your team can't or won't offer that to you.

At no point this year was Bennett worse than October/November Monahan and yet he got demoted to the 3rd line and taken off the PP. The Flames have done a heck of a job restricting his earning potential with how they deployed him this season.

If his camp feels that he won't get an opportunity in the top 6 (and he won't unless he switches to RW, someone else does, or Backlund is moved) then I don't see him wanting to be here just to play bottom 6 minutes. If he was on Arizona or Vancouver he would have been their 1/2c this year and probably put up around 50 points. That's a big difference in pay and it's because of factors outside of his control.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Isn't the bigger concern that a training camp holdout results in a new user called "Bennoverttime" joining this forum?

Prolly with a misspell as well you know. Intelligence.
"Bentovertime"

[PaperBagger'14]

Saying Bennett wasn't offered PP time is simply not accurate. He averaged 1:14 per game on the PP which puts him ahead of most forwards with the exceptions of Monahan, Gaudreau, Versteeg (lots of time spent as the PP quarterback), Brouwer, Backlund and Tkachuk. I'll agree that he should have been ahead of Brouwer, however his PP points/60 is well below that of everyone above him and even many below. His PPP/60 puts him in similar company as chiasson (2.400 to 2.309) with Brouwer at 3.692.

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/teams...ats.html#stats

Bennett isn't as good now as the peers he's trying to displace. To argue he needs more PP time to showcase himself isn't appropriate given his current body of work.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Bennett's agent should probably take a short bridge deal that's bonus laden so that Bennett can prove his value.

Take the contract that's offered, Sam. You're unlikely to get a much better deal.

Firstly, no bonuses can be offered to Bennett.

Secondly, since we don't know what Bennett has asking for nor what the Flames are offering, how can you say this?

[Strange Brew]

Flames certainly don't owe Bennett better linemates and as paperbagger demonstrated, he has been given ample PP time.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for these negotiations. because doesn't seem it would be that hard.