2017 Hurricane Season

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

This is a big steamy pile of nonsense and downright lies. There is lots of research to support the fact that climate change has made Harvey alot worse. It's nothing like religion.

Meterologist Joe Bastardi (who to be fair has a acrimonious relationship with Mann) disputes the claim of the subtropical high pressure system stalling the hurricane; he states it was caused by cool low pressure system which was providing cooler than average temperatures in the eastern US.



https://junkscience.com/2017/08/bast...ey/#more-92290

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by nik-

holy mother of god. shut up

god doesn't exist, there is no mother of god.

[Snuffleupagus]

And now Irma forms in the atlantic and conditions are favorable for it to become a large hurrican and like Harvey it's tracking for landfall and not just be a fish

[DeluxeMoustache]

Arkema chemical plant in Crosby TX warning potential explosion hazard.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/hu...cility-n797581

"We have an unprecedented 6 feet of water throughout the plant. We've lost primary power and two sources of emergency backup power. And as a result, critical refrigeration needed for our materials on site is lost," Richard Rowe, chief executive of the company's North America operatives, said Wednesday in a conference call with reporters.

"Materials could now explode and cause a subsequent and intense fire," Rowe said. "The high water that exists on site and the lack of power leave us with no way to prevent it.”

[Fuzz]

Sounds like it has had a few explosions, with more to come:

French chemicals group Arkema confirmed on Thursday two explosions at its flood-damaged plant in Crosby, Tex., and added there was a risk of further explosions at the site.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/houston...risk-1.4269687

[photon]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Arkema chemical plant in Crosby TX warning potential explosion hazard.

Was listening to Maddow yesterday and she mentioned a couple of astonishing things.

First, when there was a chemical explosion a few years ago, they only law they changed was removing the law requiring companies to disclose where and how much dangerous chemicals they were storing to the public. I'm sure that does lots to protect the public.

And she also mentioned that in Texas not only do they not have fire code regulations for buildings (i.e. requiring buildings to put in sprinklers, etc), but that there's actually a law that prohibits any municipality or county from creating those regulations! So Houston couldn't legally create a building code that makes its buildings safer from fire. Bizarre.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by photon

Was listening to Maddow yesterday and she mentioned a couple of astonishing things.

First, when there was a chemical explosion a few years ago, they only law they changed was removing the law requiring companies to disclose where and how much dangerous chemicals they were storing to the public. I'm sure that does lots to protect the public.

And she also mentioned that in Texas not only do they not have fire code regulations for buildings (i.e. requiring buildings to put in sprinklers, etc), but that there's actually a law that prohibits any municipality or county from creating those regulations! So Houston couldn't legally create a building code that makes its buildings safer from fire. Bizarre.

Sounds like they cut the burdensome red tape that has allowed business to thrive.

[DuffMan]

They truly are living the "less government" dream.

[MoneyGuy]

Does the damage here now exceed that of New Orleans and Louisiana from Katrina?

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Does the damage here now exceed that of New Orleans and Louisiana from Katrina?

It's looking to be the costliest natural disaster in American history.

https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.usatod...ory/615708001/

[troutman]

Devastating monsoon rains affect 41 million people in South Asia

Two weeks of flooding have devastated communities across India, Nepal, and Bangladesh.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/8/30/...lion-1000-dead

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Does the damage here now exceed that of New Orleans and Louisiana from Katrina?

1800 deaths from Katrina makes it the deadlier of the two by far.

[Muta]

Quebec offers blankets, beds and hydro crews to Texas in wake of Hurricane Harvey
Texas Secretary of State says no need for now, asks for prayers instead

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...rvey-1.4267387

I know this article is two days old, but man... I would be pissed if I was a Houstonian right now and heard about this. How the hell would a 'prayer' be of better assistance to the people than actual, legitimate supplies and manpower, including the assistance of power restoration experts? Unbelievable.

[Stormageddon]

Originally Posted by Muta

Quebec offers blankets, beds and hydro crews to Texas in wake of Hurricane Harvey
Texas Secretary of State says no need for now, asks for prayers instead

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...rvey-1.4267387

I know this article is two days old, but man... I would be pissed if I was a Houstonian right now and heard about this. How the hell would a 'prayer' be of better assistance to the people than actual, legitimate supplies and manpower, including the assistance of power restoration experts? Unbelievable.

To be fair, I'm sure they have those same resources much closer to them than Quebec.

Also, I'm not sure what good it is to send line crews/substation crews (who may not even speak english well) across the continent to assist in a place they are not familiar with that probably has different standards than Quebec does. It would be a nightmare getting these guys where they need to be and up to speed on how things need to be done.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by Stormageddon

To be fair, I'm sure they have those same resources much closer to them than Quebec.

Also, I'm not sure what good it is to send line crews/substation crews (who may not even speak english well) across the continent to assist in a place they are not familiar with that probably has different standards than Quebec does. It would be a nightmare getting these guys where they need to be and up to speed on how things need to be done.

Agreed,

As well you probably can't do much until the water recedes and you can actually see what is required.

It will be a logistical nightmare dealing with people from all over the continent wanting to help.

[Muta]

Perhaps, but take what you can get... or at least consider the offer when the water has subsided instead of turning it down outright. It doesn't cost anything. Telling people to 'pray' for them is absolutely useless... tell people to donate to the Red Cross or other organizations instead.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Stormageddon

To be fair, I'm sure they have those same resources much closer to them than Quebec.

Also, I'm not sure what good it is to send line crews/substation crews (who may not even speak english well) across the continent to assist in a place they are not familiar with that probably has different standards than Quebec does. It would be a nightmare getting these guys where they need to be and up to speed on how things need to be done.

Hydro Quebec would be mostly bilingual, and helps out during disasters often. I know they had 500 workers who went to New Orleans for Katrina and another 300 who helped out during Sandy in New York. I guess they're pretty good at it.

[EldrickOnIce]

The power of prayer, much like the power of positive thinking/energy, lies in the eye of the beholder.
For any that believe prayer helps, I'm sure it aids the mindset of those affected.
Or something.
Reminds me of everyone encouraging my wife, when she was battling cancer, to stay positive - as it helps. And I'm sure it does help some who believe that, but as a scientist she was mostly pissed off at the sentiment, and relied on the treatment instead.
Regardless, not for me to say what gives strength to whom.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by Stormageddon

To be fair, I'm sure they have those same resources much closer to them than Quebec.

Also, I'm not sure what good it is to send line crews/substation crews (who may not even speak english well) across the continent to assist in a place they are not familiar with that probably has different standards than Quebec does. It would be a nightmare getting these guys where they need to be and up to speed on how things need to be done.

Well aren't all those senoir high voltage electricians and line crews red seal?

Or does Quebec have a different standard in the trades?

[KevanGuy]

Not to get too much off topic but I read some forecasts for Hurricane Irma today that gave me the chills. Goosebumps literally. There is a chance it enters the Gulf just south of Florida as a Cat 4. That would have, in my opinion, a high risk of a devastating landfall. Katrina type stuff.

That's more than a week away though and lots can happen as it approaches the Caribbean. It could wallop the Carolinas or turn out to sea too, but it's one to watch. From named tropical storm to Cat 3 in just over a day. Incredible. I think this is how we'll see the impact of climate change on hurricanes. Climate change could lead to less hurricanes overall, or more who knows, but the ones that do develop will be able to tap into relatively warm sea temperatures. Just a few degrees make a huge difference to hurricane intensification (as with Harvey). I think the storms we do see will be more intense. I suspect there will be a Cat 6 eventually.

https://www.wunderground.com/hurrica...hurricane-irma