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Old 08-30-2017, 09:23 PM   #601
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Nah, Ed just knew how to put on a show better than anyone I've ever seen. The guy just had a knack for it. I've never seen anything like it.
Yes and no - he knew it was a work, but the emotion and outrage he would show was at times very real. He didn't like the extreme violence of pro wrestling. He liked the athleticism and the aggression - but there was a line, that when crossed, that caused him to hate it.
But what a guy. I had the pleasure of meeting him and his wife a few times - and he was one of those rare people that exceeds your expectations when you get to meet them.
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Old 08-31-2017, 12:14 AM   #604
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Spider Senses say the Flames pass on Jagr.

Sock away a bit in the bank. See how the season goes. Can always add firepower at the deadline if opportunity arises.
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Yes and no - he knew it was a work, but the emotion and outrage he would show was at times very real. He didn't like the extreme violence of pro wrestling. He liked the athleticism and the aggression - but there was a line, that when crossed, that caused him to hate it.
But what a guy. I had the pleasure of meeting him and his wife a few times - and he was one of those rare people that exceeds your expectations when you get to meet them.
IIRC this was the match that brought Stampede Wrestling to an end. Fans started fighting with one another after the match and a woman got trampled in the melee. Whalen ends up quitting.

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Nah, Ed just knew how to put on a show better than anyone I've ever seen. The guy just had a knack for it. I've never seen anything like it.

He wasn't even the best play by play guy, he just knew how to entertain while doing it. His tempo, tone, emphasis on certain plays; the guy could get you excited about things very easily.


Here's Pollock and Lownsbrough talking about their experiences with Whalen. The guy was special.

Exactly,ever week my dad use to take me and my cousin to stampede wrestling and ever week Ed would come over to us and say how school going boys and tell us enjoy the show .I miss those days some times
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Spider Senses say the Flames pass on Jagr.

Sock away a bit in the bank. See how the season goes. Can always add firepower at the deadline if opportunity arises.
I think you may be right, Reg!

Start the season, see how things go, and if the team is going to make a push, the can always add at the deadline!
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Can always add firepower at the deadline if opportunity arises.
Acquisition cost goes up, and not having the acquired asset for the full season can result in lower seeding.
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:37 AM   #609
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It makes more sense for the Flames to sign someone now, rather than waiting till the trade deadline. Either way, they'll likely need to acquire a top 6 RW for depth (the need may be emphasized by injuries).

So of the two options:

1. Sign a veteran depth RW now, for nothing but a (probably reasonable) contract. The player will be able to make an impact all year and add competition to training camp. The Flames likely have the cap space, and there is almost no risk on 1 year contracts.

2. Trade for a winger at the deadline. This would cost valuable assets that the Flames don't have. They cannot/should not trade away anymore picks. A defence prospect can be traded, but would you really want to give up any of the blue chip prospects for a rental? With Mike Smith as the starting goalie, can the Flames really be top contenders? Finally, the sellers would likely be teams within the division. They'd want a premium from the Flames.

To me, the first option makes a lot more sense. Don't both leaving any cap space for the trade deadline. Just use it now. As long as it's only for this year.
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Signing someone as a free agent vs going for the big horses at the most expensive time of year? Think Tre would be favoring the one where he doesn't trade away valuable draft picks after going on a spending spree to get us a realistic 3 year "win now" window.
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I think Jagr is still a good signing for the Flames. Whether it happens now or in October as a last minute pickup. You can't beat a free asset. Ferland likely isn't going to blossom into the guy we need overnight and that right side doesn't measure up to the RW depth of contending teams (though it is probably the 4/5th most important position). Jagr would bring the Flames RW closer to average though.
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Ed was the best. When I was working at the airport on the ramp the first dead body I unloaded from a plane was Ed's.
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I had the pleasure of meeting him and his wife a few times - and he was one of those rare people that exceeds your expectations when you get to meet them.
I was an 18-year-old waiter at the Glencoe Club and Whalen was at one of my tables for a luncheon banquet. When I put the prime rib in front of him, he exclaimed in that broadcasting voice "I can't eat this! It's far too rare. Look at this!"

A woman at the table chided him. "C'mon Ed. It's fine. Prime rib is supposed to be pink."

"Well yours isn't too bad," says Whalen. "But mine is far too rare. I can't eat this."

I was pretty stressed and annoyed. People sometimes asked for prime rib to be sent back, but Whalen was being a drama queen.

"Does that look okay to you?" I asked the woman. She said yes.

So I switched their plates and walked away. Everyone at the table - except Whalen - had a good laugh.

I liked Nomi Whalen, though. She officiated our wedding, and she's the only person I've ever seen put my mother-in-law in her place. For that, she earned my eternal admiration and gratitude.
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Ed was the best. When I was working at the airport on the ramp the first dead body I unloaded from a plane was Ed's.
Uh, wow!
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Signing someone as a free agent vs going for the big horses at the most expensive time of year? Think Tre would be favoring the one where he doesn't trade away valuable draft picks after going on a spending spree to get us a realistic 3 year "win now" window.
The Flames don't have any valuable draft picks left to trade over the next 2 years. Jagr makes way too much sense to give the offense a boost without empty cupboards any further.

The organization is finally establishing a pipeline of young, useful players. Trading them all away for someone likely only marginally better would be a real head scratcher for a team that hopes to contend for the next number of years.
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Ed was the best. When I was working at the airport on the ramp the first dead body I unloaded from a plane was Ed's.
That was an oddly juxtaposed heartening/disheartening sentence.
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Yeah, the Flames window is open, but it's still the early states of open.

Buying reinforcements at the deadline is what you do in the waning years of the window, when you have to go for it while you still can.

For the Flames to dump assets at the deadline this year would be asinine and short-sighted.
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Is it about what the charge would be?
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Spider Senses say the Flames pass on Jagr.

Sock away a bit in the bank. See how the season goes. Can always add firepower at the deadline if opportunity arises.
Or they could add now and not give up picks at the deadline.
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Yeah, the Flames window is open, but it's still the early states of open.

Buying reinforcements at the deadline is what you do in the waning years of the window, when you have to go for it while you still can.

For the Flames to dump assets at the deadline this year would be asinine and short-sighted.
Flames traded away picks at the deadline last year for players. And again in the summer. I don't know about "waning years".
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