American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

so when the government screws up the situation he can say it's not his fault. it was the worst storm ever. nothing anyone could do.

Obamas fault

[DuffMan]

Isn't this the same thing KAC got in trouble for promoting Ivankas clothes or something?

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[EldrickOnIce]

From what I understand, government response on the Gulf coast (at every level) has been fantastic.
I'm not sure I understand what we are bitching about wrt Trump in regard to this? There are a thousand legitimate reasons to hate on Trump. Might be better to stick with the valid ones.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I'm not sure I understand what we are bitching about wrt Trump in regard to this?

That's pretty much all this thread is - people obsessively following Trump's every utterance 24/7.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

From what I understand, government response on the Gulf coast (at every level) has been fantastic.
I'm not sure I understand what we are bitching about wrt Trump in regard to this? There are a thousand legitimate reasons to hate on Trump. Might be better to stick with the valid ones.

First of all, Trump can't spell FEMA, let alone understand what the department does. Second of all, President Comacho wanted to trim the FEMA budget for his stupid wall.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/u...l?mcubz=3&_r=0

Third, Trump will take credit for anything his government does well, but throw them immediately under the bus the second something goes sideways. Any response here has been in spite of Trump, not because of Trump.

[DuffMan]

4th, he's more concerned with things like, lgbt in the military, pardoning racists and turning police forces into military units, then he is with the disaster.

[direwolf]

Trump administration now being sued over his military transgender ban.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7916781.html

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is suing the Trump administration over the President's ban on transgender people in the military.

The ACLU claims the ban, which Mr Trump first announced via Twitter, is unconstitutional and "based on uninformed speculation, myths and stereotypes, and a desire to harm transgender people".

The suit is one of two legal complaints filed against Mr Trump's ban. The Lambda Legal and OutServe-Service Members Legal Defense Network also filed suit on Monday, claiming the ban is "unsupported by any compelling, important, or even rational justification".

Mr Trump has claimed transgender service must be banned due to the "tremendous medical costs and disruption" that it would entail. A 2016 study commissioned by the Department of Defence, however, found that allowing transgender troops to serve openly would have “little to no impact” on military readiness, and would increase health care expenditures by less than half a per cent.

“Each and every claim made by the President Trump to justify this ban can be easily debunked by the conclusions drawn from the Department of Defense’s own review process," Mr Block said.

It is estimated that more than 15,000 transgender people are actively serving in the US military. Another 134,000 are veterans.

“We promised that we would sue if the president took this action," said Peter Perkowski, Legal Director for OutServe-SLDN. "...We are on the side of every single transgender service member and those who want to serve."

He added: "The nation’s courts exist to protect the people whom tyrants would otherwise abuse. Trump can’t tweet his way out of this one.”

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

4th, he's more concerned with things like, lgbt in the military, pardoning racists and turning police forces into military units, then he is with the disaster.

Don't forget about the wall. Saw a bit on the news this morning talking about how Trump's funding for his ridiculous wall will very likely have to take a back seat due to the amount of money it's going to cost to clean up Texas post-hurricane. No doubt that's gonna annoy the hell out of him.

[OMG!WTF!]

I think Mexico should pay for this storm. It came from their gulf. Even has a cognate name...Herve.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Don't forget about the wall. Saw a bit on the news this morning talking about how Trump's funding for his ridiculous wall will very likely have to take a back seat due to the amount of money it's going to cost to clean up Texas post-hurricane. No doubt that's gonna annoy the hell out of him.

Or it will give him the perfect out clause.

"We had all of the plans in place and all of the money we needed. It was going to be built faster that we originally planned. It was going to be perfect. We were about to start construction when the hurricane happened. We had to use a lot of that money in Texas for the cleanup."

Remember, nothing is ever his fault.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

From what I understand, government response on the Gulf coast (at every level) has been fantastic.
I'm not sure I understand what we are bitching about wrt Trump in regard to this? There are a thousand legitimate reasons to hate on Trump. Might be better to stick with the valid ones.

While that is true it is important to note that there has not been really ANY response at the federal level yet (and there's nothing abnormal about that). The response has been local and state level officials mobilizing resources, some of which are coming from across the country.

The response to Harvey doesn't have anything to do with Trump yet, and may never have all that much to do with him, depending on how FEMA handles the aftermath. If they appear to be under-resourced, or unprepared due to not having people in place that Trump should have been appointing, that could be a problem for him but we are not there yet.

What we are left with is his response to the crisis thus far which has been (as is usual for him) utterly tone deaf and kind of insensitive. Analyzing that may not be "fair" in the strictest sense, but he has sort of brought that on himself if we are being honest.

After this is over, there may be a further discussion to be had about whether it makes sense for coastal and southern regions of the U.S. to be directing their limited resources toward an idiotic "border wall" when they need to be rebuilding their own infrastructure, but Trump still has a chance to make the right call there. We'll see what he does.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

While that is true it is important to note that there has not been really ANY response at the federal level yet (and there's nothing abnormal about that). The response has been local and state level officials mobilizing resources, some of which are coming from across the country.

The response to Harvey doesn't have anything to do with Trump yet, and may never have all that much to do with him, depending on how FEMA handles the aftermath. If they appear to be under-resourced, or unprepared due to not having people in place that Trump should have been appointing, that could be a problem for him but we are not there yet.

What we are left with is his response to the crisis thus far which has been (as is usual for him) utterly tone deaf and kind of insensitive. Analyzing that may not be "fair" in the strictest sense, but he has sort of brought that on himself if we are being honest.

After this is over, there may be a further discussion to be had about whether it makes sense for coastal and southern regions of the U.S. to be directing their limited resources toward an idiotic "border wall" when they need to be rebuilding their own infrastructure, but Trump still has a chance to make the right call there. We'll see what he does.

Perfect. Thanks for this. Appreciated instead of the usual nonsense from the usual suspects.
But isn't the response from the Feds acting quickly to insure full federal resources were immediately available to assist state and local governments - like Trump did in signing the disaster order before the storm landed? And maybe, for once, that there is the right person in the position as a Trump appointee (Brock Long - FEMA)?
Obviously time will tell, and what comes later is subject to speculation, and criticism. But at this point criticism is pretty dumb.

[Snuffleupagus]

Just noticed 44 people rated Trump's first 100 days a success

Maybe we need green text voting

[Senator Clay Davis]

Ideally when Cohen is served with his arrest warrant his response is "Says who?"



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/u....html?referer=

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Ideally when Cohen is served with his arrest warrant his response is "Says who?"



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/u....html?referer=

Can you even imagine the things Bob Mueller and his team are aware of?

When the results of this investigation are released, it will be a political hydrogen bomb the likes of which nobody has ever seen.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

While that is true it is important to note that there has not been really ANY response at the federal level yet (and there's nothing abnormal about that). The response has been local and state level officials mobilizing resources, some of which are coming from across the country.

The response to Harvey doesn't have anything to do with Trump yet, and may never have all that much to do with him, depending on how FEMA handles the aftermath. If they appear to be under-resourced, or unprepared due to not having people in place that Trump should have been appointing, that could be a problem for him but we are not there yet.

What we are left with is his response to the crisis thus far which has been (as is usual for him) utterly tone deaf and kind of insensitive. Analyzing that may not be "fair" in the strictest sense, but he has sort of brought that on himself if we are being honest.

After this is over, there may be a further discussion to be had about whether it makes sense for coastal and southern regions of the U.S. to be directing their limited resources toward an idiotic "border wall" when they need to be rebuilding their own infrastructure, but Trump still has a chance to make the right call there. We'll see what he does.

Well, it actually funny why Trump would get credit for FEMA, when the only reason that he wasn't able to appoint a DeVos type is that FEMA made organizational policy changes following the Katrina/Michael "Brownie" Brown debacle.

Establishes Administrator as a PAS position.81 [§ 611(11), new HSA Sec. 503(c)] The Administrator is to be appointed “from among individuals who have ... a demonstrated ability in and knowledge of emergency management and homeland security; and ... not less than 5 years of executive leadership and management experience in the public or private
sector.” [§ 611(11), new HSA sec. 503(c)(2); § 612(b)(1)]

https://training.fema.gov/hiedu/docs/federal%20em%20policy%20changes%20after%20katrina. pdf

it was impossible to appoint someone with less than 5 years experience, so unlike some of his other appointments, he couldn't just pad it with a patron.

Credit the Deep State for ensuring that no other Brownies could be tabbed for such an important position...

it was Obama's pick Fugate, that fixed that broken agency https://news.vice.com/story/trump-ma...ma-great-again

Trump gets credit for tabbing someone like Brock Long after the position sat vacant for 6 months... its a good thing he had 5 weeks in his new position before Harvey struck.

[photon]

Lol, the guy that was stabbed for having a nazi haircut? Facing a fine and jail time for false accusations, he stabbed himself minutes after being seen on surveillance video buying a knife from a sporting goods store.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhiprakas...zi-and-stabbed

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Don't forget about the wall. Saw a bit on the news this morning talking about how Trump's funding for his ridiculous wall will very likely have to take a back seat due to the amount of money it's going to cost to clean up Texas post-hurricane. No doubt that's gonna annoy the hell out of him.

Build a wall to prevent hurricanes from entering the US!

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Can you even imagine the things Bob Mueller and his team are aware of?

When the results of this investigation are released, it will be a political hydrogen bomb the likes of which nobody has ever seen.

Right now Mueller's biggest problem is probably dealing with the likelihood of pardons. Hard to get anyone to cooperate when Trump is sending out signals he'll pardon anyone for anything. At the same time, once someone accepts a pardon for a crime, they can no longer plead the fifth on that crime. But the only repercussion for someone refusing to cooperate at that point would be contempt charges. Which Trump could also pardon. But if they can find charges that fit better at a state level and then have those prosecuted by a state AG, that is a pardon-proof line of attack.

[Swift]

The presidential power to pardon has always seemed like a bizarre thing to me (for presidents on both sides) Theoretically, a president can pardon, say, a relative who killed someone while driving drunk, right?

What was the reason for that power to be implemented in the first place?