Just looking at the skill set required to play in the NHL these days. If you can't keep up to the pace of the game, there just isn't room for you in the game anymore. The game has become a kamikaze track meet out there, and those with footspeed problems are getting dropped quickly.
What evidence do you have to support this when Jagr was 109th in forward scoring last season or an upper echelon 2nd line forward. He outscored guys like Nugent-Hopkins, Frolik, Duchene, Staal and Zajac. Is there no room left in the game for those guys either? He also has the best possession numbers of the bunch as well.
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So wait, you're saying that Barkov is head and shoulders above Bennett in every facet of the game, but it was Jagr who made Barkov better, not the other way around? I would argue that Barkov did more for Jagr than Jagr did for Barkov.
Faster =! better. Yes you can make that argument for guys like Dany Heatley or Jonathan Cheechoo who relied on speed as a huge part of their game, but you can't say that for someone like Jagr. He's never been a burner. His game has never revolved around him having to outskate his opponents. He's a big body, with great puckskills and an elite mind for the game. That doesn't go away with age.
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If all those stats amounted to anything, Jagr would be signed by now, and had a number of teams beating down his door. Where are the contract offers? *crickets*
If all those stats amounted to anything, Jagr would be signed by now, and had a number of teams beating down his door. Where are the contract offers? *crickets*
Because players have never turned down contract offers before right? Jagr has always been known to be about the money. If teams aren't offering him what he believes he's worth he isn't going to sign.
Please review Jagr's goals from last season, just so we can get by the sentimentality of what Jagr once was, and instead focus on what he is today.
I know you posted this to help your own case, but Jagr scores from everywhere but the blue line in that video. Shorthanded, off the rush, snipes from the slot, garbage collection, it's the perfect video to showcase what he actually brings.
The eye-hand is still there. The size and reach are there. The hands are very much still there. The shot is there.
We're talking about signing a player to be the #3RW at best, with Power play duty. And for the ~$3-3.5M it will cost, that doesn't seem to be the worst idea.
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Backlund gets the puck, Jagr and Tkachuk take turns getting to the front of the net, Gio and Dougie take turns unloading from the point. Our 2nd unit could be as deadly as the 1st.
TLDR: Sign Jagr
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Because players have never turned down contract offers before right? Jagr has always been known to be about the money. If teams aren't offering him what he believes he's worth he isn't going to sign.
Exactly and this is no different than any other player in the league. I don't understand why some fans hold this against players or use it as ammunition to somehow disqualify them as good teammates.
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No, just identifying more risk. If Treliving isn't doing the same, exploring all risk associated with the contract, he isn't doing his job. I see much greater risk in the contract than I see potential benefit. Appears that belief is shared around the league.
No, just identifying more risk. If Treliving isn't doing the same, exploring all risk associated with the contract, he isn't doing his job. I see much greater risk in the contract than I see potential benefit. Appears that belief is shared around the league.
All this is well and good, but Jagr's standing around the league is more dynamic than that. Lots of teams would take him if they A had roster spots or B had the money. Simply put lots of teams have a Jagr comparable already or a tight cap.
If there wasn't much interest he would have signed a contract sooner. My guess is that his camp is pitting a few teams against each other for term and cash.
I can imagine that BT will spend to the cap no matter what, I personally would rather that money be spent on Jagr than a player like Chaisson. Still, my gut feeling is that this is a non issue because Jagr wont sign with calagry.
All this is well and good, but Jagr's standing around the league is more dynamic than that. Lots of teams would take him if they A had roster spots or B had the money. Simply put lots of teams have a Jagr comparable already or a tight cap.
If there wasn't much interest he would have signed a contract sooner. My guess is that his camp is pitting a few teams against each other for term and cash.
I can imagine that BT will spend to the cap no matter what, I personally would rather that money be spent on Jagr than a player like Chaisson. Still, my gut feeling is that this is a non issue because Jagr wont sign with calagry.
To me the debate about youth and Jagr is somewhat moot given the fact that the Flames were in on Sharp, but lost out to Chicago.
They clearly see a need to upgrade the top nine or they would have been sidelined.
The big question about all this Jagr smoke is a) does he want to play in Calgary? b) is he asking for too much money? c) is he asking for two years? d) is Treliving worried that Calgary will be the team that finally sees the wheels come off
But I don't see the thought of leaving space for the kids or they wouldn't have been in on Sharp.
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To me the debate about youth and Jagr is somewhat moot given the fact that the Flames were in on Sharp, but lost out to Chicago.
They clearly see a need to upgrade the top nine or they would have been sidelined.
The big question about all this Jagr smoke is a) does he want to play in Calgary? b) is he asking for too much money? c) is he asking for two years? d) is Treliving worried that Calgary will be the team that finally sees the wheels come off
But I don't see the thought of leaving space for the kids or they wouldn't have been in on Sharp.
This is the biggest concern IMO. Selanne played until he was what, 43? But he seemed to know the wheels were about to come off when he announced his final year.
Put another way, would anyone be happy with 9 goals and 27 points out of Jagr (Selanne's last year)? His last season was a little over half the goals and 2/3 of the points of the previous year. Is that a trend?
Put another way, would anyone be happy with 9 goals and 27 points out of Jagr (Selanne's last year)? His last season was a little over half the goals and 2/3 of the points of the previous year. Is that a trend?
If there's a trend, it points to him scoring in the mid-60's. He's had two 82 game seasons in that time and the other two were 79 and 77, so it's not like he's busted up.
40+ points seems like a reasonable, if not cautious, expectation. He hasn't been below a 45 point pace since he turned 40, and it's not like there's any particularly good reason to think father time will suddenly catch up to him now. It might, but there's no reason to think it will based on any trend you could look to.
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