I remember talking to a lot of Oiler fans about what they thought his cap hit would be and the common answer was in the low 6's. I knew it would be way higher, this might be a very bitter sweet pill to swallow. Great player, but if it's true his numbers are significantly propped up by McDavid, then this deal could turn sour.
I don't understand why so many Oiler fans think that the salary cap is drastically going to go up. I have read that Vegas will increase the cap (I guess they don't understand that Vegas adds to the denominator as well as the numerator). I have read that they are expecting a big US TV contract (even if that is the case, the new money will not kick in until 2022). The Canadian TV deal does have an escaltor clause, but even that escalator at best adds a little under 1 million a year to the cap (everything else being equal). I just fail to see a world where there are 5 percent increases each year (which would mean on a 75 million dollar cap that league revenue would increase by about 338 million dollars next year. The Rogers contract would contribute about 50 million of that, where does the other 288 million come from?
It seems to me that it is unlikely that the cap goes above 85 to 90 million at any point in time during this deal, he will be getting at least 10 percent of cap in all likelihood for most of this deal. Between him and McDavid it will be between 22-27 percent of the value of the cap for both contracts.
This contract will look very bad if Leon goes below 70 points a season, he needs to be a PPG guy with this contract.
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The Hamonic trade looks like a classic Battle of Alberta counter-move. I'm not sure the Flames make that trade if they aren't looking up the road at a rival with a couple elite forwards who will need to be countered with two elite defence pairings.
Agree with you on this Cliff. We will have to forgive the young folks here who weren't around to see the chess moves that defined the BOA in the 1980s.
Agree with you on this Cliff. We will have to forgive the young folks here who weren't around to see the chess moves that defined the BOA in the 1980s.
I hate to 'Old Shame' people, but that hockey way back then was almost an entirely different game.
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I hate to 'Old Shame' people, but that hockey way back then was almost an entirely different game.
Well perhaps, but nothing I've seen in the NHL since the early 1990s compares to the excitement and intensity of Oilers v Flames between 1984 and 1991. So here's hoping it returns.
It might be like the time you convinced yourself that Draisaitl was a scrub that would never amount to anything.
Oilers have some challenges going forward, just like every other team in the league.
Some challenges? Almost everything CC hit on was accurate. Draisaitl needs to be at least a PPG player for that salary to be palatable.
The Oilers D corps remains among the bottom of the league. With Sekera out until after Christmas it gets even worse.
The Oilers have 27 million tied up in three forwards. By comparison Calgary has 21 million tied up in their entire top 4 defense, which is among the best in the league.
For the Oilers to hope to continue to grow they are going to need some of their prospects graduate and excel. A prospect group that is widely considered near the bottom of the league. After JP, who is their next best prospect?
Charelli has a proven history of poor cap management and more often than not comes up as the loser in trades.
Here's what the Oilers have going for them:
• Best player in the game, generational talent.
• Vezina caliber goaltender.
• Draisaitl (praying to Jebus he doesn't regress, even a little).
•Up and coming D-man at a good price (Klefbom).
That's about it. Could probably throw Maroon in there as well but last season was a major departure from his career norms and if he repeats his play from last year, there's another guy that Charelli probably won't get for less than 7 million.
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We lost in the playoffs to the Ducks, not the Oilers. Twice in a row.
And went 0-4 against the Oilers last season. It's pretty likely the road to the Cup in the next few seasons is going to involve a series against the Oilers. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Wow that is a huge contract for a player with one good season. It is a big risk that could turn out to be great value or another premature long term overpayment like RNH and Eberle.
The Oilers really messed up by burning the first year of Draisaitl's ELC. Then they would have had this upcoming season to find out if he is actually a star or just had one fluke season.
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As a hockey fan, i am not sure a guy who had one good season deserves that kind of money already. As a Flames fan, I am glad the Oilers spent so much money on two players already. It just means they will have a tough time trying to sign a good player later. I just hope we won't be seeing this type of contracts with Flames player.
Great run, they looked ok against a pretty battered sharks team past their best before label, and pretty much got their teeth punched in by the Ducks, if it wasn't for Talbot that series is an embarrassment.
Last years team might be as good as it gets for the Oilers. They're not going to be in a position to make hockey trades, they're going to have to make contract trades and nobody is going to help them out with that. They're going to be out of the big game hunting for free agents. Their prospect depth is weak, and the players that they're going to have to move are over paid badly and teams aren't going to take those contracts without consideration.
On top of that as bad as Eberle was, Strome's not an improvement, and they're starting the season without Sekera which means Russell who's weak on the boards and bad positionally and Nurse who's just dumb are going to be getting more minutes.
People talk about Draisaitl only having one good season. However, he's only had one seven game stretch -- Round 2 against Anaheim -- where he's actually produced without McDavid (it's probably safe to say the Ducks were more focussed on shutting down McDavid's line -- which they did). I bet if Draisaitl doesn't put up 13 points in those 7 games, he's looking at 8 x $7M, maybe $8 x $7.5M.
Regardless of what kind of player he becomes, that seven game stretch probably cost the Oilers an extra $1-1.5M per season.
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Same combined cap hit as Kane and Toews. So, if you think that Draisatl is a top line player then it's not bad for the Oil, infact, it seems fine.
Aren't you the rational, non-homeristic voice of reason...
Kane and Toews led their team to THREE Stanley Cups. People get paid for results.
Also, that wasn't their second contracts, it was their third. And they haven't won a playoff series since.
McDavid and Draisaitl haven't won a thing. 50% of their contracts are for RFA years.
This deal is not 'fine'. It's a TERRIBLE deal for a player with one good year.
Can anyone name any other player that got a contract anywhere near $8.5M for one good season? There are no comparables.
Let me ask another question: you're a GM and you get to take one player for free - no strings attached - MacKinnon or Draisaitl... who do you take? I take MacKinnon without the slightest hesitation. And he's more than $2M cheaper per year.
To those suggesting that McDavid is a bargain at $12.5M... He is paid $2M more than any other player. That's 20% more. For him to be a 'bargain', he needs to perform at something like 40 or 50% better than everyone else in the league. Not happening. Is it a fair contract? Yes, almost certainly. But a bargain? That is not what 'bargain' means.
$21M for the two of them is far more than I could have hoped for as a Flame fan, heading into the summer. I remember thinking: could it be as high as $12M and $7M? That would be fantastic! Well fans, apparently yes it can.
$21M will have a profound impact on cap management. RNH is as good as gone. And the Oilers simply don't have the depth to replace him.
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In order to flesh out a lineup, they are going to have to place a bunch of youngsters on ELC's or Versteeg like vets taking a hope to catch on somewhere contract just to fill out their bottom 9 spots on the roster (3rd/4th line 3rd pair and backup)
That's a lot to put on any prospect base. The difference between Pittsburgh, Chicago and the Oilers is that each of those teams built up a quality prospect base. The Oilers have maybe 4 prospects that are any good. Puljujarvi and Yamamoto are the only two "likely" NHL prospects out of the bunch. Brossoit is still a toss up on whether he'll be good enough to make it and Jones is okay. That's it though. Everything else is in the long shot category. Not very good.
There is no way around it, the Oilers will be good enough to make the playoffs over the next handful of years, but unless they fluke out in terms of have the right opponents, I don't ever see them getting outside of the 2nd round. If Talbot regresses at all, they won't even get there in the first place.
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