[Signing] Oilers sign Draisaitl (8 yrs, $8.5 mil AAV)

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Corral

Its back to the the 1980s for the BOA. Can the Flames assemble an all-around better line up to beat the Oilers who have the best player in the NHL. Game on.

The Hamonic trade looks like a classic Battle of Alberta counter-move. I'm not sure the Flames make that trade if they aren't looking up the road at a rival with a couple elite forwards who will need to be countered with two elite defence pairings.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This word gets thrown around far too often. I see it applied to any player who comes in even just a fraction under his perceived market value, but quite frankly that is disingenuous.

In this instance I don't believe that Connor McDavid's contract can be considered a bargain by any metric, and the reason is that it is the most expensive individual hockey contract in the world. It cannot be a bargain until at least the day that another player is paid +$100 m over an eight year term because at this point his deal is without adequate comparison.

To put it another way, Darryl Katz's home is easily the most valuable piece of real estate in the Edmonton region at around $13 m. If Milan Lucic buys Katz's house for $12 m he is getting it at a slight reduction of it's perceived value, but he is still paying at least $3 m more for his cool new pad than for any other private residence North of Rockyview. This is not a bargain. It may represent modest savings, but that is not the same thing.

I agree, McDavid on his ELC is a bargain.

[DomeFoam]

Their should be a disclosure for players bargaining new contracts with their teams that they are not allowed to use Edmonton players as comparables

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Hamonic trade looks like a classic Battle of Alberta counter-move. I'm not sure the Flames make that trade if they aren't looking up the road at a rival with a couple elite forwards who will need to be countered with two elite defence pairings.

Treliving mentioned that the Hamonic trade has been percolating for couple years IIRC. His philosophy is to build from the nets out so I think it would have happened regardless of what Edmonton had done.

[Azhouse]

I bet my Oiler buddy a pop for McD - $12 Mil and Drai - $8 Mil. He said MacD - $10 and Drai - $6. He explained that the huge discount they were about to take was that they had grown to love playing in Edmonton after "the run".

I am enjoying a delicious cola right now. He tried to hand me a Loonie for the pop machine but I made him go get it in the lunchroom and deliver it to me. He did draw the line at opening it for me though.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This word gets thrown around far too often. I see it applied to any player who comes in even just a fraction under his perceived market value, but quite frankly that is disingenuous.

In this instance I don't believe that Connor McDavid's contract can be considered a bargain by any metric, and the reason is that it is the most expensive individual hockey contract in the world. It cannot be a bargain until at least the day that another player is paid +$100 m over an eight year term because at this point his deal is without adequate comparison.

To put it another way, Darryl Katz's home is easily the most valuable piece of real estate in the Edmonton region at around $13 m. If Milan Lucic buys Katz's house for $12 m he is getting it at a slight reduction of it's perceived value, but he is still paying at least $3 m more for his cool new pad than for any other private residence North of Rockyview. This is not a bargain. It may represent modest savings, but that is not the same thing.

I stated a particular measure by which McDavid's contract could be considered a bargain. TC - if the Oilers has signed McDavid for $1, you would not admit it was a bargain. And If Katz's house is worth $13 million, and Treliving buys it for less than that to use as a storage locker, you would certainly agree it was a bargain.

In any case, the Oilers have made their bed with these two big contracts. Time to decide things on the ice.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Their should be a disclosure for players bargaining new contracts with their teams that they are not allowed to use Chiarelli contracts as comparables

Or this, since he's got at least one more team to ruin before his retirement.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Nah. The Oilers actually would have been better off signing Draisaitl before he got to free agency like they did with RNH, Hall, and Eberle.

They gave Draisaitl a show me year and are paying the price for doing things differently.

...so they gave him what he wanted! The league is a lot better off having young players establish themselves before getting hefty premature raises. What exactly did all those first round picks have to show for the raises that they got?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

I bet my Oiler buddy a pop for McD - $12 Mil and Drai - $8 Mil. He said MacD - $10 and Drai - $6. He explained that the huge discount they were about to take was that they had grown to love playing in Edmonton after "the run".

I am enjoying a delicious cola right now. He tried to hand me a Loonie for the pop machine but I made him go get it in the lunchroom and deliver it to me. He did draw the line at opening it for me though.

Great run, they looked ok against a pretty battered sharks team past their best before label, and pretty much got their teeth punched in by the Ducks, if it wasn't for Talbot that series is an embarrassment.

Last years team might be as good as it gets for the Oilers. They're not going to be in a position to make hockey trades, they're going to have to make contract trades and nobody is going to help them out with that. They're going to be out of the big game hunting for free agents. Their prospect depth is weak, and the players that they're going to have to move are over paid badly and teams aren't going to take those contracts without consideration.

On top of that as bad as Eberle was, Strome's not an improvement, and they're starting the season without Sekera which means Russell who's weak on the boards and bad positionally and Nurse who's just dumb are going to be getting more minutes.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Great run, they looked ok against a pretty battered sharks team past their best before label, and pretty much got their teeth punched in by the Ducks, if it wasn't for Talbot that series is an embarrassment.

Last years team might be as good as it gets for the Oilers. They're not going to be in a position to make hockey trades, they're going to have to make contract trades and nobody is going to help them out with that. They're going to be out of the big game hunting for free agents. Their prospect depth is weak, and the players that they're going to have to move are over paid badly and teams aren't going to take those contracts without consideration.

On top of that as bad as Eberle was, Strome's not an improvement, and they're starting the season without Sekera which means Russell who's weak on the boards and bad positionally and Nurse who's just dumb are going to be getting more minutes.

Are you trying to convince yourself?

It might be like the time you convinced yourself that Draisaitl was a scrub that would never amount to anything.

Oilers have some challenges going forward, just like every other team in the league.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

I bet my Oiler buddy a pop for McD - $12 Mil and Drai - $8 Mil. He said MacD - $10 and Drai - $6. He explained that the huge discount they were about to take was that they had grown to love playing in Edmonton after "the run".

I am enjoying a delicious cola right now. He tried to hand me a Loonie for the pop machine but I made him go get it in the lunchroom and deliver it to me. He did draw the line at opening it for me though.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Are you trying to convince yourself?

It might be like the time you convinced yourself that Draisaitl was a scrub that would never amount to anything.

Oilers have some challenges going forward, just like every other team in the league.

I think that Draisaitl was greatly exaggerated by McDavid last year. Up until then he was a very inconsistent player.

His first season was bad, he started his second year well and then went complete invisible. Last year he was riding McDavid like a fat person on a mule. He was good in the Anaheim series but his what? 24% shooting percentage was unsustainable.

At the end of next season, you'll come back here and look me in the eyes through your keyboard and say "You were right Captain, you were right".

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think that Draisaitl was greatly exaggerated by McDavid last year. Up until then he was a very inconsistent player.

His first season was bad, he started his second year well and then went complete invisible. Last year he was riding McDavid like a fat person on a mule. He was good in the Anaheim series but his what? 24% shooting percentage was unsustainable.

At the end of next season, you'll come back here and look me in the eyes through your keyboard and say "You were right Captain, you were right".

You were saying he shouldn't even be in the NHL two years ago. You were wrong Crunch. So very wrong.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Hamonic trade looks like a classic Battle of Alberta counter-move. I'm not sure the Flames make that trade if they aren't looking up the road at a rival with a couple elite forwards who will need to be countered with two elite defence pairings.

I'm not sure they have "a couple elite forwards". Is Draisaitl now "elite"? He might turn out to be, but I think it's a little early to start throwing this tag around.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by the2bears

I'm not sure they have "a couple elite forwards". Is Draisaitl now "elite"? He might turn out to be, but I think it's a little early to start throwing this tag around.

Ridiculous question. His cap hit is top 10 in the league, just 200k under Crosby.

He best be Elite or he's easily overpaid and overrated. They'll likely have to get him his mcdsvid minutes so as to not let the point disappoint cause questions about the management IQ.

I'm actually a fan of the kid but just another example of dumb oiler management setting dumb contract precedent.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Ridiculous question. His cap hit is top 10 in the league, just 200k under Crosby.

He best be Elite or he's easily overpaid and overrated. They'll likely have to get him his mcdsvid minutes so as to not let the point disappoint cause questions about the management IQ.

I'm actually a fan of the kid but just another example of dumb oiler management setting dumb contract precedent.

Cap hit doesnt necessarily equate to production.

Draisaitl isnt a PPG player, but hes 'Elite' now?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Locke

Cap hit doesnt necessarily equate to production.

Draisaitl isnt a PPG player, but hes 'Elite' now?

That's the hilarity

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Hamonic trade looks like a classic Battle of Alberta counter-move.

We lost in the playoffs to the Ducks, not the Oilers. Twice in a row.
The Preds beat the Ducks in the playoffs, not the Oilers. Twice in a row.

Hamonic was a move aimed at getting past the Ducks, not the Oilers.

[sureLoss]

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
No-move clause for Leon Draisaitl and a no-trade starting July 2022 (10 teams he would agree to go) until the end of the contract. #oilers

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

You were saying he shouldn't even be in the NHL two years ago. You were wrong Crunch. So very wrong.

He and many others in this thread have been right far more often than wrong about the oilers in the past decade.