To me, what Trump seemed to say was that there were good people protesting against the removal of Lee's statue who were not neo-nazis/white supremacists.
Tapper said that Trump said there were good people amongst the neo-nazis/white supremacists.
CHL pointed out that Tapper misquoted Trump. I agree.
Like I said in my earlier post though, this was not a statue removal protest. I live in this area, and it has been advertised and promoted as a alt-right/neo-nazi/white supremacist rally with the focal point being the removal of the statue.
So even take what Trump is saying with a grain of seriousness, he is claiming that there were some people who showed up for the white supremacist rally just because they were also in favour of keeping the statue. That' nonsense. What's next saying there were fine people in the KKK rally a few weeks earlier who just signed up because they like the hats?
Is the point that Trump is delusional/naive/in denial and really had no idea what this was about, and he thinks this protest was filled with non (alt-right/Nazi/White Nationionalist-Supremacists) who's peaceful protest was ruined by the before mentioned groups? I personally got from his speech is that there are good people in the (alt-right/Nazi/White Nationionalist-Supremacists) group and that I guess he thinks there are some alt-right identifiers that aren't extreme racists. If I'm correct in that assumption, then I think what Tapper said was accurate, if not then I guess you guys are right and the narrative should be that Trump mistakenly believes there were good people who showed up to the white supremacist rally for reasons other than being racists.
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a·mong
əˈməNG/
preposition
preposition: among; preposition: amongst
1.
surrounded by; in the company of.
"wild strawberries hidden among the roots of the trees"
synonyms: surrounded by, in the company of, amid, in the middle of, with; More
literaryamidst, in the midst of
"you're among friends"
2.
being a member or members of (a larger set).
"he was among the first 29 students enrolled"
synonyms: included in, one/some of, in the group/number of
"a child was among the injured"
3.
occurring in or practiced by (some members of a community).
"a drop in tooth decay among children"
involving most or all members of a group reciprocally.
"members of the government bickered among themselves"
synonyms: jointly, mutually, together, with one another
"decide among yourselves"
4.
indicating a division, choice, or differentiation involving three or more participants.
"the king called the three princesses to divide his kingdom among them"
synonyms: between, to each of
"he distributed the proceeds among his creditors"
Origin
Old English ongemang (from on ‘in’ + gemang ‘assemblage, mingling’). The -st of amongst represents -s (adverbial genitive) + -t probably by association with superlatives (as in against ).
So it's ambiguous with definition 1 and 2 implying completely different things
You know as I think about this whole situation, I'm thinking more about how denouncing Nazis has to be one of the easiest layups in not just American politics, but politics in any Western country...and Trump has royally ####ed it up anyway. He literally cannot do the simplest, easiest things without turning it into a monumental debacle. Which again begs the question; how is he going to handle the hardest, most complex things? Well the answer is most likely he'll let others handle it, but it's pretty pathetic that he also needs to let others handle what amounts to answering "What is 2+2?".
Oh yeah today was supposed to be about infrastructure investment, another near layup that he dribbled off his foot, with the ball ricocheting into his nuts. And worth remembering: his whole coming unglued today was mostly driven by the media's reaction to his weak statement Saturday. Just imagine how unhinged he's gonna be after a few days of even stronger, near universal condemnation from the media. The next presser or his next public appearance might be his most insane yet.
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a·mong
əˈməNG/
preposition
preposition: among; preposition: amongst
1.
surrounded by; in the company of.
"wild strawberries hidden among the roots of the trees"
synonyms: surrounded by, in the company of, amid, in the middle of, with; More
literaryamidst, in the midst of
"you're among friends"
2.
being a member or members of (a larger set).
"he was among the first 29 students enrolled"
synonyms: included in, one/some of, in the group/number of
"a child was among the injured"
3.
occurring in or practiced by (some members of a community).
"a drop in tooth decay among children"
involving most or all members of a group reciprocally.
"members of the government bickered among themselves"
synonyms: jointly, mutually, together, with one another
"decide among yourselves"
4.
indicating a division, choice, or differentiation involving three or more participants.
"the king called the three princesses to divide his kingdom among them"
synonyms: between, to each of
"he distributed the proceeds among his creditors"
Origin
Old English ongemang (from on ‘in’ + gemang ‘assemblage, mingling’). The -st of amongst represents -s (adverbial genitive) + -t probably by association with superlatives (as in against ).
So it's ambiguous with definition 1 and 2 implying completely different things
If you show up to a white supremacist rally organized by white supremacists for white supremacists and walk among(st) them by any of the definitions, you deserve to be lumped in with them, period.
Again, this wasn't a save the statue protest that got taken over by white supremacists.
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Like I said in my earlier post though, this was not a statue removal protest. I live in this area, and it has been advertised and promoted as a alt-right/neo-nazi/white supremacist rally with the focal point being the removal of the statue.
So even take what Trump is saying with a grain of seriousness, he is claiming that there were some people who showed up for the white supremacist rally just because they were also in favour of keeping the statue. That' nonsense. What's next saying there were fine people in the KKK rally a few weeks earlier who just signed up because they like the hats?
Is the point that Trump is delusional/naive/in denial and really had no idea what this was about, and he thinks this protest was filled with non (alt-right/Nazi/White Nationionalist-Supremacists) who's peaceful protest was ruined by the before mentioned groups? I personally got from his speech is that there are good people in the (alt-right/Nazi/White Nationionalist-Supremacists) group and that I guess he thinks there are some alt-right identifiers that aren't extreme racists. If I'm correct in that assumption, then I think what Tapper said was accurate, if not then I guess you guys are right and the narrative should be that Trump mistakenly believes there were good people who showed up to the white supremacist rally for reasons other than being racists.
On my viewing of the press conference, it really did sound like Trump implied there were good non-extremists who were there to peacefully protest the statue's removal.
From the transcript:
Quote:
If you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people: neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest
It sounds like he is making a distinction between good protesters and bad neo-Nazis/white nationalists, though I can see room for your interpretation there too. Honestly, I almost feel like it's my own cognitive dissonance that is forcing me to see it this way. Trump can't really be vouching for neo-nazis, can he?
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Who, exactly had the permit to protest?
The alt-right had the permit I believe...Spencer and crew
Actually it was a local guy...my mistake.
Quote:
The rally that descended into violence Saturday was organized by Jason Kessler, a relative newcomer to the white nationalist scene who is well known in Charlottesville, where he has fought against the city’s status as a sanctuary city for immigrants.
A self-described “journalist, activist and author,” Mr. Kessler also waged a monthslong online media campaign against Mr. Bellamy, whom he depicted as anti-white.
More recently, Mr. Kessler became involved in the fight against renaming Lee Park — one reason for the “Unite the Right” rally this weekend. The rally was by far Mr. Kessler’s largest undertaking yet. Last week, he won an injunction in federal court against the city, which had voted to revoke a permit for the rally.
“This is my First Amendment right,” Mr. Kessler said of the rally during a news conference on Thursday. “This is the right of every American to be able to peaceably assemble and speak their mind free of intimidation. That’s why I decided to do it.”
With the lawsuit over the Lee statue still unresolved, it remains unclear what will become of it. The violence this weekend was one of the bloodiest fights over the campaigns across the South to remove Confederate monuments, and the statue remains a lightning rod in Charlottesville. Mr. Spencer, for his part, has promised to return.
From the best I could understand leading up to it, the white supremacists applied for a permit at Emancipation park, and were told it would only be given if they had their rally at Mcintyre park. They temporarily moved their protest there while challenging that ruling in court. The counter protesters got permits for Mcintyre park because they thought that was where the rally would be. On the Friday before the protest, the injunction let the supremacists move to Emancipation park, but they counter protesters didn't have anyone fighting for their right to move. That was probably because they didn't initially file for a permit at the original park. But a counter protest at the wrong park would have seemed rather silly so they came to the park where the protest was.
That whole process contributed to the lack of ability to plan on behalf of the police, I'm sure.
a·mong
əˈməNG/
preposition
preposition: among; preposition: amongst
1.
surrounded by; in the company of.
"wild strawberries hidden among the roots of the trees"
synonyms: surrounded by, in the company of, amid, in the middle of, with; More
literaryamidst, in the midst of
"you're among friends"
2.
being a member or members of (a larger set).
"he was among the first 29 students enrolled"
synonyms: included in, one/some of, in the group/number of
"a child was among the injured"
So it's ambiguous with definition 1 and 2 implying completely different things
I really don't understand this whole permit thing though. I guess you need a permit stage an organized protest. Do you really need a permit to just show up and protest against an organized protest?
Also, while the white supremacist side consisted of mostly out of state organizations, the counter protest consisted largely of people from Chancellorsville and Richmond just showing up and were actually walking among the more extreme left groups.
If you show up to a white supremacist rally organized by white supremacists for white supremacists and walk among(st) them by any of the definitions, you deserve to be lumped in with them, period.
Again, this wasn't a save the statue protest that got taken over by white supremacists.
Agreed, but that wasn't what tapper said trump said. Trapper could have said that that but instead was very ambiguous. The media needs to do better and quit sports teaming.
good lord... just when you think things could get any worse... when you look at that the days of Bush and Cheney and think, "you know maybe they were not as bad as I thought", things have truly gone sideways in America.
Watershed moment for the GOP members of Congress and Senate that have any kind of decency or morality left in them....
Bigger question for me is whether it is better for Kelly, McMaster and Mattis to resign in protest? Or staying in to ensure that the truly crazy aren't appointed in their place...
Note: Kelly is pretty right wing, but i think even he knows this is over the edge.
