"...and in fact, not only did he say that both sides were to blame, he said that there were also good people on both sides. Not just good people on the counter protestors, but good people amongst the nazis and the klansmen, and the white supremacists, and the alt-right."
I have to agree with Corsi - there's no need for this sort of misquoting. Trump's words are surprising enough on their own. Misquoting will only lead credence to the calls of fake news. Accuracy matters.
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As John Oliver said...it's right up there with pardoning a turkey in terms of presidential degree of difficulty.
Whether he's racist or not the fact he can't score the easiest of easy political points is quite something.
He fails to call out the alt-right on Saturday because, lets face it he doesn't want to. His handlers get him to finally read a prepared statement on Monday denouncing them. And in typical Trump fashio. He doesn't like being told what to do so a day later he sets the record straight by undermining any good he may have done the day before. Like completely destroys it and begins to dig a bigger hole than he was in on Saturday.
The incompetence and lack of morals/character is stunning. And yet tomorrow he will still have 30+% support!
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Originally Posted by psyang
Actually, from 3:20 to 3:37, he says:
"...and in fact, not only did he say that both sides were to blame, he said that there were also good people on both sides. Not just good people on the counter protestors, but good people amongst the nazis and the klansmen, and the white supremacists, and the alt-right."
I have to agree with Corsi - there's no need for this sort of misquoting. Trump's words are surprising enough on their own. Misquoting will only lead credence to the calls of fake news. Accuracy matters.
So much this.
It's so sad how badly the role of accuracy in journalism has deteriorated in the last decade or maybe even longer.
It has always mattered and particularly now as all inaccuracies are used as ammunition one way or the other to the degree that the original point gets lost.
"Good people on both sides" = "some of the white supremacists and Neo-nazis were good people"?
Orly?
I believe chl is misquoting Tapper quoting Trump.
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except he misrepresented, I have to think deliberately, what was said. For example, he claimed that Trump said that some of the white supremacists and Neo-nazis were good people, when Trump said that there were good people involved in the protest that weren't white supremacists or neo-Nazis.
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Actually, from 3:20 to 3:37, he says:
"...and in fact, not only did he say that both sides were to blame, he said that there were also good people on both sides. Not just good people on the counter protestors, but good people amongst the nazis and the klansmen, and the white supremacists, and the alt-right."
I have to agree with Corsi - there's no need for this sort of misquoting. Trump's words are surprising enough on their own. Misquoting will only lead credence to the calls of fake news. Accuracy matters.
There's some weird nuances in Trump's incoherence that makes it tough to interpret exactly what he's saying. Are psyang and CHL saying that he meant there were people who were there who weren't part of the KKK, white supremacists or Alt Right? I heard Trump try to say that the good people were outside of the white supremacists, and neo nazis. I didn't hear him say the alt-right were part his list of people he'd call bad.
What were we supposed to hear from what Trump said? That there are alt right people who weren't racist or that there were people there that weren't alt-right? It's a silly argument.
CNN, MSNBC, doesn't matter, none of them need to even have commentators tonight. Replay the presser on loop, because it's vital that every American sees who the President of the United States really is: A deranged, mentally ill white supremacist who is only going to get worse, likely significantly worse, in the future. Don't skew anything, just verbatim Trump. If anyone watches that and comes out thinking that he's a normal human being worthy of respect, that says a lot about them.
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There's some weird nuances in Trump's incoherence that makes it tough to interpret exactly what he's saying. Are psyang and CHL saying that he meant there were people who were there who weren't part of the KKK, white supremacists or Alt Right? I heard Trump try to say that the good people were outside of the white supremacists, and neo nazis. I didn't hear him say the alt-right were part his list of people he'd call bad.
What were we supposed to hear from what Trump said? That there are alt right people who weren't racist or that there were people there that weren't alt-right? It's a silly argument.
To me, what Trump seemed to say was that there were good people protesting against the removal of Lee's statue who were not neo-nazis/white supremacists.
Tapper said that Trump said there were good people amongst the neo-nazis/white supremacists.
CHL pointed out that Tapper misquoted Trump. I agree.
"Good people on both sides" = "some of the white supremacists and Neo-nazis were good people"?
Orly?
I believe chl is misquoting Tapper quoting Trump.
Accuracy matters
What CHL claimed is in the latter part of Tapper's quote that I transcribed:
"...and in fact, not only did he say that both sides were to blame, he said that there were also good people on both sides. Not just good people on the counter protestors, but good people amongst the nazis and the klansmen, and the white supremacists, and the alt-right."
Yeah, it's pretty interesting how Trump has managed to make the Charlottesville rally all about him. I've lived here through 3 presidents now, and any time someone tried to mess with a confederate statue, it's brought out all the crazies. Maybe they were more emboldened and enthusiastic this time around because of Trump, but he could have weathered this pretty easily with a couple uninspired denouncements of racists. Hell, he would have done better to just golf for the week and completely ignore the situation.
I wonder if this weekend will be the historical weekend that is the beginning of the end? Is this the worst week yet for his presidency? Is someone ranking them? To steal from office space, it seems like every week is worse than the week before, so therefore every week he's been president has been the worst week of his presidency.
I don't see that - can you explain the difference? (honest question)
No probs,
Trump said there were good people on both sides.
Tapper said trump said there were good people on both sides, amongst the white supremacists and klansmen
Chl said, Tapper said, Trump said some of the supremacists and KKK were good people.
Trump: OK, good. Well, are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue? So, you know what? It's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture and you had people, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned, totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You got a lot of bad people in the other group, too.
Reporter: Who was treated unfairly? Sir, I'm sorry I don't understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don't understand what you were saying.
Trump: No. No. There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before. If you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people: neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest — and very legally protest, because you know- I don't know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn't have a permit. So, I only tell you this. There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country. Does anybody have a final- does anybody- you have an infrastructure question.
This is what Trump says
I see that as saying their are 3 independant groups -- white nationalists, the KKK, and good Americans protesting legally and peacefully that a part of their history is being taken.
I don't think you can say that he is saying that there are good kkk members which is what Tapper is saying.
I see that as saying their are 3 independant groups -- white nationalists, the KKK, and good Americans protesting legally and peacefully that a part of their history is being taken.
I don't think you can say that he is saying that there are good kkk members which is what Tapper is saying.
Trump said there were good people on both sides.
Tapper said trump said there were good people on both sides, amongst the white supremacists and klansmen
Chl said, Tapper said, Trump said some of the supremacists and KKK were good people.
Huge difference. Huge
Ah, I get you now. You have to admit that there is quite a bit of ambiguity in Tapper's statement, especially in context when he said there were good people amongst the counter-protestors (referring to the entire left side) and amongst the kkk/supremecists/alt-right (presumably referring to the entire right side). He could have said there were good people amongst the counter-protestors and the protestors.
To me, it is more easily interpreted as saying some of the kkk/supremacists/alt-right were good people.
I guess I'll say that accuracy and clarity matter.
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We should definitely be focusing on making sure we don't accidentally disparage the good name of the regular pro confederacy winners marching alongside white supremacists and Nazis and ignore the fact that he lumped the entire left as the "alt left" (which doesn't exist) and not so subtly victim blamed the murdered woman for being part of this "very violent group" that deserves blame as well.
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