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Old 08-07-2017, 10:08 AM   #7561
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Trump having a total meltdown on Twitter this morning, whining about the usual stuff like FAKE NEWS and the fake Russia story. Then he brags about his election win (of course), his SC pick, and the surging economy, and then to finish it all off he attacks Richard Blumenthal.

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Interesting to watch Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut talking about hoax Russian collusion when he was a phony Vietnam con artist!

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Never in U.S.history has anyone lied or defrauded voters like Senator Richard Blumenthal. He told stories about his Vietnam battles and....

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...conquests, how brave he was, and it was all a lie. He cried like a baby and begged for forgiveness like a child. Now he judges collusion?

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Hard to believe that with 24/7 #Fake News on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, NYTIMES & WAPO, the Trump base is getting stronger!

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Trump tweets that he's working, meetings and calls. Locks the press pool in a hotel miles from where he, trying to hide from them:

https://twitter.com/CelesteKatzNYC/s...32938288058368

But every's got a camera nowadays, meetings and calls...

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/894006754350157825

https://twitter.com/mikememoli/statu...65171189833728

It'd be less of a deal if he's just do what he wants, he draws much more attention to it by trying to hide and lie.
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Interesting article from Politico on how Trump's decision to pull the U.S. out of the TPP is hurting rural farmers.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...effects-215459

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The decision to pull out of the trade deal has become a double hit on places like Eagle Grove. The promised bump of $10 billion in agricultural output over 15 years, based on estimates by the U.S. International Trade Commission, won’t materialize. But Trump’s decision to withdraw from the pact also cleared the way for rival exporters such as Australia, New Zealand and the European Union to negotiate even lower tariffs with importing nations, creating potentially greater competitive advantages over U.S. exports.
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On July 6, the EU, which already exports as much pork to Japan as the United States does, announced political agreement on a new deal that would give European pork farmers an advantage of up to $2 per pound over U.S. exporters under certain circumstances — a move which, if unchecked, is all but certain to create a widening gap between EU exports and those from the United States.

European wine producers, who sold more than $1 billion to Japan between 2014 and 2016, would also see a 15 percent tariff on exports to Japan disappear while U.S. exporters would continue to face that duty at the border. For other products, the deal essentially mirrors the rates negotiated under the TPP, which the United States has surrendered, giving the EU a clear advantage over U.S. farmers.
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The EU’s deal is all the more noteworthy because American farmers were relying on the TPP — to which the EU was not a member — to give them an advantage over European competitors. But in a further rebuke to the United States, Tokyo decided within a matter of weeks to offer the European nations virtually the same agricultural access to its market that United States trade officials had spent two excruciating years extracting through near-monthly meetings with their Japanese counterparts on the sidelines of the broader TPP negotiations; the United States is now left out.
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The remaining 11 TPP countries have already met two times, with a third meeting planned, to move ahead with the revival of the deal without the United States. The so-called TPP-11 would be in direct response to Trump’s trade policy. Economic forecasts already show projected gains for countries involved. Canada, according to one estimate, could permanently gain an annual market share of $412 million in beef and $111 million in pork sales to Japan by 2035, because lower tariffs would enable it to eclipse America’s position in the market.
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Old 08-07-2017, 10:37 AM   #7564
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Interesting article from Politico on how Trump's decision to pull the U.S. out of the TPP is hurting rural farmers.
I'd laugh, but that's Trump in a nutshell.
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Old 08-07-2017, 10:40 AM   #7565
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In other news this morning, the city of Chicago is now suing the Trump Administration for withholding funds from sanctuary cities.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7880061.html

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions recently declared that the Justice Department would withhold federal grant money from so-called “sanctuary cities” – localities that refuse to comply with federal immigration enforcement.
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"We're not going to actually auction off our values as a city, so Monday morning the City of Chicago is going to court; we're going to take the Justice Department to court based on this," Mr Emmanuel told local news station WLS.

He added: "We find it unlawful and unconstitutional to be, as a city, coerced on a policy."
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Missing out on the federal Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grants could potentially cost sanctuary cities millions of dollars. Chicago alone was slated to receive $3.2m from the grant program this year to purchase new police equipment.

The funding is especially sensitive in Chicago, which Mr Trump frequently criticises for its high crime rate.
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When will someone sue Trump for slander or libel for his outrageous claims particularly against the news media and other politicians?

Hey, anyone who follows Trump can unfollow and get his tweets from @UnfollowTrump and not boost his number of followers.
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Old 08-07-2017, 12:56 PM   #7567
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I'd laugh, but that's Trump in a nutshell.
and the Trump base as well...

the cognitive dissonance is strong with that group... even the use of the word "cognitive" is a bit of a stretch on my part...
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:07 PM   #7568
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When will someone sue Trump for slander or libel for his outrageous claims particularly against the news media and other politicians?

Hey, anyone who follows Trump can unfollow and get his tweets from @UnfollowTrump and not boost his number of followers.
I don't need to follow him...

All the good stuff gets posted here...
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When will someone sue Trump for slander or libel for his outrageous claims particularly against the news media and other politicians?

Hey, anyone who follows Trump can unfollow and get his tweets from @UnfollowTrump and not boost his number of followers.
It's an interesting question of if you can sue him.

The case law will allow the president to be sued for things he does outside his duties as president. It won't allow him to be sued for carrying out his duties as president even if by doing so he causes harm. There is a whistleblower case where the Nixon tapes show Nixon saying to fire this guy. He tried to sue Nixon for damages and was denied because it was in Nixons duties as president.

So Clinton could be sued by Jones for Harassment because it occurred outside the presidency, Turmp University lawsuits were still valid as well. However I think a credible case could be made that Trump slandering the media is being done as part of him carrying out the office of the president.

There is a podcast by Roman Mars the 99% Invisable guy called "What can Trump teach us about con law" that does a pretty good job discusssion the relavent statutes and is a good listen.
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In other news this morning, the city of Chicago is now suing the Trump Administration for withholding funds from sanctuary cities.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7880061.html
Also a good podcast on the spending clause and the constitutionality of restricting these funds.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:22 PM   #7571
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Sam Harris really nailed it on the head with this amazing description of Trump

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Party of whiners. The only excuse they haven't used is the sun got in my eyes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.07b08885b2c3
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Sam Harris really nailed it on the head with this amazing description of Trump
He's certainly never pulled his punches, and he never lets up about it either. Immediately after the election:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/c...cast_the_most/
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Arizona could provide the temperature for the nation on Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/07/politi...CNNPolitics=Tw

Why does it always feel like they never use an oral thermometer on us?
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Trump is a clown.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politi...ey1100AMVODtop

Trump is a federal employee. One who is schooled on information handling. In retweeting this story he not only adds credence to the story, confirming the materials contained there in, but he also knowingly re-transmits the classified information. This is classified as second party dissemination and is a federal crime. There is a reason why intelligence officials are schooled to not discuss or make comment on stories where details from reports leak out. When you do comment, you confirm the existence of the intelligence gathering mechanism and the area of research being conducted. I wonder what Kelly is going to do about this leaker?
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Trump is a clown.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politi...ey1100AMVODtop

Trump is a federal employee. One who is schooled on information handling. In retweeting this story he not only adds credence to the story, confirming the materials contained there in, but he also knowingly re-transmits the classified information. This is classified as second party dissemination and is a federal crime. There is a reason why intelligence officials are schooled to not discuss or make comment on stories where details from reports leak out. When you do comment, you confirm the existence of the intelligence gathering mechanism and the area of research being conducted. I wonder what Kelly is going to do about this leaker?
But Clinton! E-mails! Obama! Comey! Disastrous Obamacare! Lock Her Up! Build the wall! Bad Hombres!

NOt the first time either. A week or so ago he confirmed via twitter he stopped wasteful payments on training Syrians. It was a well known program due to a multitude of leaks but was still a CIA program and the CIA never confirms nor denies things they are doing. Trump has no idea how to handle sensitive information. None. These things are so far beyond using a private server it's not funny.

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Apparently a new report by top climate scientists was leaked to the NY Times yesterday, fearing that the Trump administration would try to suppress it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/c...ing-trump.html

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The draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies, which has not yet been made public, concludes that Americans are feeling the effects of climate change right now. It directly contradicts claims by President Trump and members of his cabinet who say that the human contribution to climate change is uncertain, and that the ability to predict the effects is limited.

“Evidence for a changing climate abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans,” a draft of the report states. A copy of it was obtained by The New York Times.
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The report was completed this year and is a special science section of the National Climate Assessment, which is congressionally mandated every four years. The National Academy of Sciences has signed off on the draft report, and the authors are awaiting permission from the Trump administration to release it.

One government scientist who worked on the report, Katharine Hayhoe, a professor of political science at Texas Tech University, called the conclusions among “the most comprehensive climate science reports” to be published. Another scientist involved in the process, who spoke to The New York Times on the condition of anonymity, said he and others were concerned that it would be suppressed.
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“It’s a fraught situation,” said Michael Oppenheimer, a professor of geoscience and international affairs at Princeton University who was not involved in the study. “This is the first case in which an analysis of climate change of this scope has come up in the Trump administration, and scientists will be watching very carefully to see how they handle it.”

Scientists say they fear that the Trump administration could change or suppress the report. But those who challenge scientific data on human-caused climate change say they are equally worried that the draft report, as well as the larger National Climate Assessment, will be publicly released.
For those who are interested, you can read the entire report here:

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I just gave you 10. You asked for 2 or 3, and I gave you 10.

Except that she didn't. In the quote you provided.

Not once is a real solution mentioned. Same old smoke and mirrors of making promises no politician can keep, because there is no actual solution there. All she had to do was utter the words, universal healthcare, or medicare for all, or single payer system, and that would made the case. What she said, and what you posted, was political bull#### that screams "I don't have a solution."

The other snippet about her ability to understand the problems facing average Americans.

That is not reaching out to Americans and telling them you understand their plight. That is more policy wonk bull#### that people see right through. That is an appeal more to industry than it is to the people who need help. Great, you're committing $30B to something, but what am I getting out of this? What problem for me does this directly address? Is this going to get me my job back? Nothing concrete. An if you actually look at that plan, it doesn't align with other promises and contradicts itself. Coal communities are not going to make the United States a 21st Century energy superpower. Suggesting as much is blowing dirty smoke up the keisters of everyone.



She did none of that, which is why there was still a rift within the party. If she had adopted those key platform planks, the party would have united quickly and decisively.

Which means she was out of her element then, and an even worse politician than anyone imagined.

Disagree all you want, but the results speak for themselves.

Because she never countered the narrative. She never gained control of the narrative. She was her own worst enemy because she allowed Trump to frame her as he pleased.

Yeah, she was stiff and unlikeable, and that's coming from someone who supported her.

What election cycle did you watch??? Trump owned the media cycle, good and bad, and made sure he was able to frame Clinton as he pleased. Clinton never fought back with any significant force, and failed at making anything stick. Trump gave her opportunity after opportunity and she couldn't close the deal.

People are not logical. They are emotional beings and will vote with their heart and rarely use their heads. Have you not read the hockey forum? People ignore their heads and follow their hearts all the time. Whether it be bringing back an ex-player, or what prospect is the next big thing, or what player to draft, emotion plays into every decision and logic is ignored.

So, I had a long answer typed up the other day, but was in weekend golf tournament and had to leave it, unfinished, and when I got back, it was not on the ipad.

So, to recap,,, what I was looking for was some detailed things she should have said, like a quote, something you would have said verbatim, if you were her.

Your point of universal healthcare, fit my request, and I don't think that would have done anything except hurt her more. Most of Americans thought that Obamacare and ACA were separate things, and Republicans and Fox news had them convinced Obamacare was evil.

Anyways, my point is, I don't think she could have said or done anything to change the results, and I'll just leave it at that.

My second point is, Trump is a moron, and the American voters got what they deserved.
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Party of whiners. The only excuse they haven't used is the sun got in my eyes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.07b08885b2c3
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“This is the fallacy of Trump Republicanism writ large,” GOP strategist and Trump critic Rick Wilson remarks. “A con artist, reality TV clown, and scenery-chewing blowhard can get away with this. Rank-and-file Republicans will still have to answer to their constituents for a year of wheel-spinning as their president’s daily rage-tweeting, witch-hunting, and lunacy leads them down the broad road to political hell.”
That's awesome.
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