Troy Brouwer

[Vinny01]

Make Backlund really earn that extension. Personally I think they should try Brouwer on the right side of Backlund and slide Frolik over to left wing. This frees up Tkachuk for a shotnon the top line or perhaps play with Bennett and Versteeg on the 2nd/3rd line.

Keep Brouwer away from Bennett and preferably keep him off the 4th line as salvaging him is really the only option at this point

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Make Backlund really earn that extension. Personally I think they should try Brouwer on the right side of Backlund and slide Frolik over to left wing. This frees up Tkachuk for a shotnon the top line or perhaps play with Bennett and Versteeg on the 2nd/3rd line.

Keep Brouwer away from Bennett and preferably keep him off the 4th line as salvaging him is really the only option at this point

That is brilliant!

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Make Backlund really earn that extension. Personally I think they should try Brouwer on the right side of Backlund and slide Frolik over to left wing. This frees up Tkachuk for a shotnon the top line or perhaps play with Bennett and Versteeg on the 2nd/3rd line.

Keep Brouwer away from Bennett and preferably keep him off the 4th line as salvaging him is really the only option at this point

Brouwer doesn't deserve to play with players like Backlund and Frolik, who work hard every night.

Based on last year's performance, I see Brouwer simply competing for a roster spot.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Those afflicted with know it allism will always favour the outcome that curtails their fear of being proven wrong over what might actually make them happy.

Elsewhere, I once said that a fool is someone who would rather be happy than right, and a wise man is one who would rather be right than happy. A cynic would rather be unhappy than right. We have a fair number of those around here.

[Gaudfather]

Flames TV has a new thing this year called "Fishing with Big Ern". The first episode includes Troy Brouwer and Emile Poirier.

Here's a pic

Spoiler!

[TheScorpion]

If there's one thing that I'm quite sure Brouwer is, he's a respected NHL veteran with a great influence on the kids. He's been around the block more than once, that's for sure. It's great to see him out there with Poirier.

We all love to #### on certain players when they have off seasons, but Brouwer seems to be as good a leader and guy as they come. There's more than one side to a hockey team, and it really shows that Brouwer is as respected as he is to have received an 'A' in his first season, especially among a really solid crop of other candidates like Backlund and Stajan.

You can argue all you want about the qualifications of those players, and about how positive an influence Brouwer shows with his play, but he seems to be a top-flite guy who garners a lot of respect -- and I have all the time in the world for a guy like that on the team I cheer for.

[robaur]

Does anyone else think that the only reason we signed Brouwer is because Edmonton signed Lucic?

Maybe Treliving thought that Lucic contract with Oilers was way worse and he was getting a better deal signing Brouwer.

I mean if Lucic puts up 50 points on a $6M per for 7 years.....and Brouwer puts up 40 points at $4.5 per for 4 years.....

Treliving might have just looked at that and thought Brouwer was a better deal...

Rival teams are known to make reactionary moves....especially when a guy like Burke has a say and would have just been like we need to do something to toughen up now that they got Lucic.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by robaur

Does anyone else think that the only reason we signed Brouwer is because Edmonton signed Lucic?

Maybe Treliving thought that Lucic contract with Oilers was way worse and he was getting a better deal signing Brouwer.

I mean if Lucic puts up 50 points on a $6M per for 7 years.....and Brouwer puts up 40 points at $4.5 per for 4 years.....

Treliving might have just looked at that and thought Brouwer was a better deal...

Rival teams are known to make reactionary moves....especially when a guy like Burke has a say and would have just been like we need to do something to toughen up now that they got Lucic.

We signed Brouwer because we needed a top9 R shot winger. Whether he is that at this point is debatable, but that's why.

And intangeables yadda yadda

[Gaudfather]

This is a great snapshot of the problem with Troy Brouwer last year. Let's hope 2017/18 is not a repeat. And also why Tkachuk is such a beaut!

Spoiler!

[robaur]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

This is a great snapshot of the problem with Troy Brouwer last year. Let's hope 2017/18 is not a repeat. And also why Tkachuk is such a beaut!

Spoiler!

Thanks for posting that. Really shows that Gio and especially Brodie didn't have great seasons. They both have more to give.

[FBI]

What does weighted points above replacement mean?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by robaur

Thanks for posting that. Really shows that Gio and especially Brodie didn't have great seasons. They both have more to give.

Both of them, in particular Brodie, struggled with consistency early in the season. Even after they were put back together Brodie still played badly. It wasn't until Dougie got put with Gio that they become arguably the best D pairing in the entire league.

Having Brodie with a solid partner and Gio-Dougie from the start instead of midway through should do wonders for this season.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by FBI

What does weighted points above replacement mean?

Explained here. Basically a scoring differential between the actual performance and an assumed replacement level or call up player.

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/08/02...cement-part-2/

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Explained here. Basically a scoring differential between the actual performance and an assumed replacement level or call up player.

Only adding that the 'replacement level player' is not assumed to be an average NHL player, but one making league minimum. So a fringe NHLer

[Calgary4LIfe]

I wish Brouwer wasn't a Calgary Flame, but I do concede that one poor season doesn't necessarily mean a trend.

Lots of great players have down years in-between great seasons. Brouwer joined a new team, who also had a new coach, who implemented a vastly different system that the entire team seemed to have problems adopting, and also had a figure injury which MAY have contributed to a lack of scoring.

Two bad seasons? I will join the mob in throwing him off the bridge. At this point in time, I just think that you expect Brouwer to at least approach his career averages and write-off this past season as just 'a tough season' for him.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If there's one thing that I'm quite sure Brouwer is, he's a respected NHL veteran with a great influence on the kids. He's been around the block more than once, that's for sure. It's great to see him out there with Poirier.

We all love to #### on certain players when they have off seasons, but Brouwer seems to be as good a leader and guy as they come. There's more than one side to a hockey team, and it really shows that Brouwer is as respected as he is to have received an 'A' in his first season, especially among a really solid crop of other candidates like Backlund and Stajan.

You can argue all you want about the qualifications of those players, and about how positive an influence Brouwer shows with his play, but he seems to be a top-flite guy who garners a lot of respect -- and I have all the time in the world for a guy like that on the team I cheer for.

It's great that he can be a mentor for the kids off the ice, every team needs that. My problem was that it never translated on the ice. He wasn't the guy that stepped up for teammates or stepped up when times were tough. No matter how hard I try I can't forget when Johnny got his hand broken and he shrugged it off as no big deal. Those are the rally points that a team can come together and build off of and he was very public that it was nothing to get worked up about and shouldn't be responded to. Great players use adversity to drive them, Brower seemed to shrug it off.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Make Backlund really earn that extension. Personally I think they should try Brouwer on the right side of Backlund and slide Frolik over to left wing. This frees up Tkachuk for a shotnon the top line or perhaps play with Bennett and Versteeg on the 2nd/3rd line.

Keep Brouwer away from Bennett and preferably keep him off the 4th line as salvaging him is really the only option at this point

This isn't that bad of an idea Vinny, and here's why.
In the past, players tend to elevate their level of play while playing with Backlund ( and to a lesser extent Frolik).
Look at Bouma's career year he had and Tkachuk's roomie season was a success. Although we don't have another season or set of line mates to compare Tkachuk's season with, one can observe that Backlund and Frolik did an excellent job utilizing him and taking him under their wing.

We all want to see Brouwer live up to his price tag. If Brouwer plays on that line for the last season or two atleast of his contract, we can perhaps boost his value and garner some interest from potential trade partners

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

...He wasn't the guy that stepped up for teammates or stepped up when times were tough. No matter how hard I try I can't forget when Johnny got his hand broken and he shrugged it off as no big deal. Those are the rally points that a team can come together and build off of and he was very public that it was nothing to get worked up about and shouldn't be responded to. Great players use adversity to drive them, Brower seemed to shrug it off.

Is that a fact? If so, I sure don't recall anything of the sort.

Even if this was Brouwer's response I am quite certain that it was not in conflict with how the team wanted him to respond.

[FBI]

Yeah he said everybody does it including him, no big deal.

It was an extremely weak and disappointing response IMO. Even the league thought it was a bigger issue since they are focusing on it this year.

That response didn't scream leadership to me. Just my opinion.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FBI

Yeah he said everybody does it including him, no big deal.

It was an extremely weak and disappointing response IMO. Even the league thought it was a bigger issue since they are focusing on it this year.

That response didn't scream leadership to me. Just my opinion.

Well I tend to think that since players ignore virtually everything printed in the media this response was not at all an issue. Why would anyone on the team who speaks to Brouwer every day care about something he said in an interview?