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Old 08-03-2017, 11:54 AM   #7361
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By the way, I swear this - "They said I had no way to 270 and I got 306" - is going to be engraved on his headstone or something. Dude never shuts up about it.
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Old 08-03-2017, 11:56 AM   #7362
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By the way, I swear this - "They said I had no way to 270 and I got 306" - is going to be engraved on his headstone or something. Dude never shuts up about it.
I suspect his headstone will just have a simple 'Prisoner Number 13472'
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Based on those transcripts, it would appear Trump has zero skills in negotiating with other world leaders. The Australian leader explaining "why the boats" was amusing and showed Trump's ignorance.
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Old 08-03-2017, 12:34 PM   #7364
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Competing bipartisan Senate bills introduced Thursday put President Donald Trump on further notice that any move to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller wouldn’t go down without a serious fight.

The two pieces of legislation take different approaches but both share the same mission of requiring judicial review of any move to oust Mueller, who is leading the independent probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...tection-241296

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Interesting, I was unaware that the "cosmopolitan" insult Miller used on a journalist has quite the history and meaning:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...epithet-215454

Also funny, Trump tweeted a Fox story about increasing health care premiums, didn't bother to read it I guess as the article blames Trump's actions for a huge portion of the increases.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...41296Competing bipartisan Senate bills introduced Thursday put President Donald Trump on further notice that any move to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller wouldn’t go down without a serious fight.

The two pieces of legislation take different approaches but both share the same mission of requiring judicial review of any move to oust Mueller, who is leading the independent probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...tection-241296
Wow. There are the politicos circling the wagons. They are smelling blood in the water and don't want to become collateral damage when the big sharks come in to feed, so they are building a wall between themselves and any actions Trump may take to halt the investigation. This, coupled with rumblings out of the NYAG, signals some very dark days ahead for Trump and his family. I sure hope Trump looks good in orange. Oh wait, we already know the answer to that question.
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Old 08-03-2017, 01:08 PM   #7366
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yet at the same time, GOP is going to GOP...

From same article Photon linked above
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...tection-241296
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At the same time, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) joined 19 other GOP lawmakers last week calling on Attorney General Jeff Sessions to appoint a new special counsel apart from Mueller to “investigate a plethora of matters” during the 2016 campaign related to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and senior Obama administration officials, including former Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

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Wow. There are the politicos circling the wagons.
33% approval will do that

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2476

President Donald Trump plunges to a new low as American voters disapprove 61 - 33 percent of the job he is doing, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. White men are divided 47 - 48 percent and Republicans approve 76 - 17 percent. White voters with no college degree, a key part of the president's base, disapprove 50 - 43 percent.

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President Trump is not levelheaded, say 71 - 26 percent of voters, his worst score on that character trait. Voter opinions of most other Trump qualities drop to new lows:
62 - 34 percent that he is not honest;
63 - 34 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
59 - 39 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
58 - 39 percent that he is a strong person;
55 - 42 percent that he is intelligent;
63 - 34 percent that he does not share their values.
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This part in particular is bad news for Trump. Are we finally starting to see cracks in his base?

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I suspect his headstone will just have a simple 'Prisoner Number 13472'
It'll say Fake Death.
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No wonder there was bipartisan talking about protecting Mueller from Trump firing him. Mueller's got a grand jury now.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in Washington to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections, a sign that his inquiry is growing in intensity and entering a new phase, according to people familiar with the matter.

The grand jury, which began its work in recent weeks, is a sign that Mr. Mueller’s inquiry is ramping up and that it will likely continue for months. Mr. Mueller is investigating Russia’s efforts to influence the 2016 election and whether President Donald Trump’s campaign or associates colluded with the Kremlin as part of that effort.


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33% approval will do that

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2476

White men are divided 47 - 48 .
I'm embarrassed for my demographic (if I were American)
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yet at the same time, GOP is going to GOP...

From same article Photon linked above
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...tection-241296
Probably a good thing really. At the very least, they can rebut the "witch hunt" cries.
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:31 PM   #7373
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Probably a good thing really. At the very least, they can rebut the "witch hunt" cries.
Yeah it's fine by me. As long as they finish investigating the f***ing President before a private citizen living in the woods as a grandmother.
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Lol Popehat explaining grand juries.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/893194546699395072

"/7 Plus you've got your grand jury subpoenas for documents, which tend to leak and similarly drive dumb/self-defeating reactions.

/8 With sensible, prudent, obedient clients, this is gravely dangerous. With this crew . . . well. Hold their beer."
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This gave me a chuckle

CNN: Grand Jury
MSNBC: Grand Jury
Fox News: Have you ever looked at a starfish? Like really looked at one? They're weird, man.

https://twitter.com/maggieserota/sta...05202114707456
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lol the rallies.

Word count on "fake news", "electoral college" and "Hillary" will need to use scientific notation.
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That diversity
There's a couple of guys in Hawaiian shirts. That probably counts as LGBT in that crowd.

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I like how his big surprise tonight is rather ironic. The Governor of West Virginia is switching from being a Democrat to being a Republican. The cult takes this as a huge win and a sign the Dems are falling apart. The critical thinker looks into this and realizes Jim Justice was a Republican until 2015, then when it was politically convenient became a Democrat, and is becoming a Republican again for more convenience. This is of course the swampiest of swampy behavior, political expedience over values, but obviously we shouldn't let the cult know that, let them enjoy the rare "win". As for Trump, his hopes for this being the big headline tomorrow have been Mueller'd obviously. His vacation will mostly be spent researching pardoning I imagine (in between rounds of course)
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Pretty treasonous whoever leaked these transcripts. I wonder if they can find out who did it.
Absolutely not treason.

Treason, in the United States, is a very specific crime:

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So there are two kinds of Treason in the US: Levying war and adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

There have been a few court cases dealing with the definition of Treason, for example in the case Ex parte Bollman the Supreme Court ruled:

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To conspire to levy war. and actually to levy war, are distinct offences. The first must be brought into operation by an assemblage of men for a purpose, treasonable in itself, or the fact of levying war cannot have been committed.
So merely planning to wage war against the US is not treasonous, an 'assemblage of men' must take place in order to reach the level of treason.

When it comes to the question of 'aid and comfort' there aren't any Supreme Court cases which specifically describe what constitutes an 'enemy' but all of the legal literature I can find in 20 minutes of Google-fu are pretty clear that there must be a declaration of, or a levying of war before there can be an enemy. So absent an 'assemblage of men' armed, listed, and marching for the purpose of deposing the United States government, or a declaration of war against a foreign adversary, no crime whatsoever in the United States rises to the level of treason.
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