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Agree 45 11.00%
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Old 07-20-2017, 06:26 AM   #6461
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Also, I wonder if his "performance" at the Comey hearings led to this surgery for McCain.

"uhh ... maybe we should get the Senator checked out"
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Old 07-20-2017, 06:50 AM   #6462
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Ignore the stupid clickbait title, really there is next to nothing about Trump in this great discussion with these 2 former presidents, but what is clear is seeing how nasty Trump has been with Obama after he became president is really showing us his character as a nasty, vindictive man child.

This is a great watch, lots of laughs and its really hard not to like Bush, funny guy.
Bush comes across as way more wittier and likeable than Bill.
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Old 07-20-2017, 07:14 AM   #6463
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Old 07-20-2017, 07:14 AM   #6464
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I believe this is also what Newt said to his second wife when she asked if they were going to stay together after she got cancer.

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Elaina Plott‏Verified account @elainaplott 13h13 hours ago
I just called Newt Gingrich. Asked about the Trump NYT interview and whether Sessions should resign, he said: "No, no, no, no no, goodbye."
https://twitter.com/elainaplott/stat...34518698287105
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Old 07-20-2017, 07:22 AM   #6465
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Christ, he's such a f'n jackass. He'll never let this go.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...mission-240714

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The president further stoked fears of voter fraud at the start of the commission meeting on Wednesday, saying states that have declined to provide information to the committee are attempting to hide something.

A bipartisan group of secretaries of state declined to provide some voter information to the committee, voicing fears about the security of the data that they were asked to provide.

“What are they worried about?” Trump asked. “There’s something. There always is.”
I suppose that the guy who refuses to release his tax returns to his constituents would be the one to know....
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Old 07-20-2017, 07:44 AM   #6466
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Loved this part from the NYT interview. Trump is so articulate and intelligent.

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Trump accused Comey, whom he abruptly fired in May, of using an unverified dossier of compromising material to keep his job.

“In my opinion, he shared it so that I would think he had it out there,” Mr. Trump said. As leverage? “Yeah, I think so,” Mr. Trump said. “In retrospect.”

The president dismissed the assertions in the dossier: “When he brought it to me, I said this is really, made-up junk. I didn’t think about any of it. I just thought about, man, this is such a phony deal.”
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:18 AM   #6467
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Several recent polls by research firms show significant increases in support for single payer except for hard right leaning Republicans. Trend has been growing since 2013.





http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...-by-democrats/
HUH. I wonder what caused the massive change in opinion between 2008 and 2016.

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Old 07-20-2017, 08:33 AM   #6468
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Want to learn about the alt-right and their reach? A very interesting ADL pub of the leaders behind the movement.

https://www.adl.org/education/resour...aming-the-hate

Is that a list of alt-right leaders, or a list of people with the most punchable faces around?
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:36 AM   #6469
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This interview is insane. Amongst other things Trump goes insane over:

- He never would have appointed Sessions if he knew he'd recuse on Russia (how does Sessions not resign now?)
- Accuses Comey of attempting to blackmail him
- Warns Mueller he's fired if he looks too much into Trump family finances
- Implies Rosenstein is biased because he's from Baltimore and there are tons of Dems there

The full transcipt is forthcoming. Here's the article

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/1...ZseXaGIA?amp=1
What kind of idiot is Trump? His stupid lawyer had the audacity to ask the ethics office if he could "file the presidential financial disclosure forms without the signature of his client" and six months into his presidency he still hasn't filed them. Obviously Trump has financial dirt to hide, and by saying that in a public interview, he might as well put up a neon side beside his personal bank saying "don't look in Trump account number XXXXXX".

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...re-without-his

There is no way a ruthless investigator like Mueller will back down on from these threats either. The guy started off the Enron prosecution by going after the wives of Enron execs. He's doing the same thing here already going after Kushner and Trump Jr.

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Old 07-20-2017, 08:38 AM   #6470
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Mueller expands probe to examine Trump's business transactions. LOL
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:41 AM   #6471
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HUH. I wonder what caused the massive change in opinion between 2008 and 2016.

Massive GOP fear mongering and lies over the ACA including completely made up shiet about "death panels" then public actually seeing it successfully work the way it was designed to.
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:42 AM   #6472
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A must watch as more leaks out.

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Old 07-20-2017, 09:00 AM   #6473
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Post by Dan Rather on Facebook this morning:

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We’re now six months into the Trump Presidency…and what do we have? Especially in light of the stunning new New York Times interview with Mr. Trump?

A reasonable analysis is: What we have is the weakest, most chaotic, toxic and confusing first six months of any U.S. Presidency in history. Only Abraham Lincoln got off to a worst start, with the country virulently divided over slavery and the Civil War looming. Fair to note that Lincoln went on to become one of the greatest Presidents ever, but the challenges Lincoln faced were epochal, not the self-inflicted implosion we are currently witnessing. Lincoln's successor Andrew Johnson had a rough start too. But Johnson was not an elected President; he ascended to the office upon the assassination of President Lincoln and the Civil War.

No elected President—none—has had such a tumultuous, scandal-threatened, and downright mind-boggling start, with such low public approval, as has this one. And this has happened while the President’s party controlled both Houses of Congress, now likely the Supreme Court, a majority of governorships and state legislatures—and the FBI.
It is not bias or political partisanship to conclude this. It is fact, historical and otherwise. It is those who deny this that are the ones blinded by partisanship.

With this fact—and in no small part because of it—comes a companion conclusion: that this is dangerous time. Very. No one should underestimate the potential peril. Not just for the Trump Presidency but also and more importantly for the country. Our people are troubled and divided. Friends and allies abroad are worried (as in, “what the hell has happened to America?) Enemies and competitors smell vulnerability.

In his NYT interview, Mr. Trump blasted his own appointed Attorney General, former Senator Jeff Sessions, and, in effect and not for the first time, threatened Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating possible crimes involving Trump family members and associates and Russia. Mr Trump specifically demanded that Mueller avoid looking into the President’s tax returns and financial dealings. In other words, “don’t follow the money,” in regards to possible Russian dealings or anything else. Thus, raising anew the question, “what is he hiding?”

So, six months in, and on and on it goes. Where it ends no one knows.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:14 AM   #6474
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Mueller expands probe to examine Trump's business transactions. LOL
LOL, Mueller is basically saying "Go ahead, make my day"

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The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trump campaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.

The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, making the boundaries fuzzy so Special Counsel Robert Mueller appears to be taking a wide-angle approach to his two-month-old probe.

FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic..._medium=social

Watching the investigation unfold is painful though, everything seems like it's going in slow motion. We're not likely to see a lot of the evidence either.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:28 AM   #6475
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how long til Mueller is fired?
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:40 AM   #6476
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Whenever I think about Trump's lawyers prepping him for these media appearances and likely telling him "don't say anything about the Russia investigation," I imagine it being this scene:
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With such a sordid past why would he go for the most scrutinized job in the world? His arrogance to think none of this would be dug up and examined is amazing.
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sadly I agree with Rather.

The GOP has spent the last couple of decades undercutting news organizations, by continually putting forward false information, ignoring issues that damage their ideology and finally questioning legitimacy itself.

Trump has amped this up even further through doublespeak, subterfuge and a gradual erosion of access and protocol.

It is a dangerous time, because, imo, the GOP are slowly poisoning the political ecosphere so that legitimate debate is no longer possible and that senators and members of congress of good conscious (but lacking intestinal fortitude) will not jeopardize their political futures by questioning the party line...

the GOP will prop up Trump in the hopes of passing their agenda.

Tribalism at its worst. Party over Country.
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how long til Mueller is fired?
Won't be long I'm guessing but best happen sooner rather than later if you're Trump...doesn't want various State prosecutors getting good knowledge of the material Mueller and his team are gathering.
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Firing Mueller means firing Sessions and likely Rosenstein, and then hoping his new appointments actually get confirmed in order to fire Mueller. That seems pretty much not possible. It does finally seem the walls are closing in on the orange goblin.
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