Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Not really, no. In the latter case, the "moral standpoint" is that Khadr deserves no compensation at all. And most of the people who fit this mindset would be just as outraged at the courts if they awarded Khadr that money instead.

This isn't about due process. This is about the narrative being written that a terrorist was paid off rather than a victim of torture being compensated.

Of course they would've preferred no compensation, but that's not a realistic outcome. Assuming the government lawyers have done their job competently, there were only two outcomes:

a) Settle for $10.5M
b) Continuing defending the litigation and lose for unspecified damages and additional legal expenses

The narrative you describe is certainly the one playing out in the public arena, but most people can't be bothered to understand the intricacies of the case. The Tories are trying to score populist points here, but what else would one expect from an opposition government?

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

You're really going in circles here, they are held accountable through elections, or by the courts if the offence is criminal. Is it perfect? Far from it. Do you have a better solution?
.

The solution is to go after those directly responsible. By the current system the tax payers are out 10.5 million dollars, the people responsible were not held accountable, and a terrorist is now a Canadian multimillionaire.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by StickMan

The solution is to go after those directly responsible.

What does this mean? Were you planning to lynch them?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by StickMan

The solution is to go after those directly responsible. By the current system the tax payers are out 10.5 million dollars, the people responsible were not held accountable, and a terrorist is now a Canadian multimillionaire.

It's a fair point. Has Khadr tried to sue the US over his torture?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by StickMan

The solution is to go after those directly responsible. By the current system the tax payers are out 10.5 million dollars, the people responsible were not held accountable, and a terrorist is now a Canadian multimillionaire.

The government was directly responsible for the government's actions. Taxpayers elected that government to make decisions, we fund their actions/policies, this includes any potential fallout as a result.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Zarley

The Tories are trying to score populist points here, but what else would one expect from an opposition government?

I haven't seen the NDP freaking out and riling up their base in an attempt to score points on this issue but maybe I've missed it.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I haven't seen the NDP freaking out and riling up their base in an attempt to score points on this issue but maybe I've missed it.

That's because they're still learning to read and it hasn't been translated into a scratch and sniff pop up book yet.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

That's because they're still learning to read and it hasn't been translated into a scratch and sniff pop up book yet.

Whoa bro, you come up with your own material? It's so edgy.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

That's because they're still learning to read and it hasn't been translated into a scratch and sniff pop up book yet.

What about the Green Party, le Bloc Québécois and the independents? Why aren't they?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What about the Green Party, le Bloc Québécois and the independents? Why aren't they?

Bloc 10, Independent 1, Green 1
How are these relevant to anything?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Bloc 10, Independent 1, Green 1
How are these relevant to anything?

Was just curious to hear what excuses GaiJin would give for those parties. His rationale behind why the NDP weren't taking the same approach as the conservatives was entertaining to read.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I haven't seen the NDP freaking out and riling up their base in an attempt to score points on this issue but maybe I've missed it.

The Sun (I know) theorizes (as only the Sun can) on why:

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/17...-and-heres-why

But in short, the NDP are stuck because a significant majority of their base opposes the deal as well. The Conservatives can easily play hard to their base, and the Liberals have to defend their own actions. From the NDP's social position, it becomes a no-win scenario for them to even try to get involved.

Incidentally, it would also be such a Sun thing for them to begin using the epithet "SJW" without irony.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The Sun (I know) theorizes (as only the Sun can) on why:

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/17...-and-heres-why

But in short, the NDP are stuck because a significant majority of their base opposes the deal as well. The Conservatives can easily play hard to their base, and the Liberals have to defend their own actions. From the NDP's social position, it becomes a no-win scenario for them to even try to get involved.

Incidentally, it would also be such a Sun thing for them to begin using the epithet "SJW" without irony.

Christ, that was an obnoxious column. On a side note, can we stop using the term the "liberal media" when it comes to Canadian media? The CBC is at best/worst centrist, with left-leaning contributors, but the majority of Canadian print media and talk-radio shows are centre-right or full-on right-wing.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It's a fair point. Has Khadr tried to sue the US over his torture?

That would be interesting to see it happen because the video from his incarceration there would pretty much be declassified.

Not just the interrogation video but the place was wired like a pinball machine.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The CBC is at best/worst centrist, with left-leaning contributors, but the majority of Canadian print media and talk-radio shows are centre-right or full-on right-wing.

This is a far more controversial statement than you seem to think.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is a far more controversial statement than you seem to think.

not outside of alberta it isn't.

[Resolute 14]

The CBC has been a Liberal Party mouthpiece for a long time. To consider it centrist, one must consider the Liberal Party itself centrist. Which, while generally accurate, starts to blow holes into the whole "vote splitting" and "uniting the left" Liberal/NDP arguments we've seen when such arguments become convenient for their supporters.

[Resolute 14]

And yeah, Rube, the column itself was certainly obnoxious. But I think the core argument is valid.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

not outside of alberta it isn't.

Outside of echo chambers it is.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The CBC has been a Liberal Party mouthpiece for a long time. To consider it centrist, one must consider the Liberal Party itself centrist. Which, while generally accurate, starts to blow holes into the whole "vote splitting" and "uniting the left" Liberal/NDP arguments we've seen when such arguments become convenient for their supporters.

so the cbc largely reflects liberal party attitudes and the liberal party is largely/mostly centrist.

See, Corsi, Resolute is admittedly one of the more partisan posters on the board and yet he still views the CBC as a largely centrist news organization, even if he feels they pander somewhat to the liberal party of Canada (and their centrist position in Canadian politics).

It's mostly the 'don't-trust-government' types out in Alberta that are the 'echo chamber' you're referring to. I've been all over this great land of ours and Albertans are certainly a unique bunch within Canada.

To get back on topic, referring to the CBC as the 'Buzzfeed' of Canada really clarifies this viewpoint. I don't really know what the poster specifically means by it, nor do I really care, but there it is.

Have any of the Sun papers published opinion pieces with glowing endorsements of the Khadr civil award? I wouldn't know as I don't read them.