American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[Thor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Not a conventional war, but the US could tip over into something approximating a civil war without the guns. Tax revolts, shutting down the operations of the government, paralyzing courts with litigation. If Trump is impeached, the Democrats would need to find a squeeky clean candidate to run in the next election, because the Republicans would be laying the groundwork for an impeachment of their own before the new president even moved into the Whitehouse.

Just watched Chuck Todd on MSNBC talking to a Republican Texas senator who is doing the new talking point of blaming the democrats for not working with them to fix the problems with health care.

These people have literally no shame, and hopefully for their sanity they are all liars because for them to believe that they are being treated badly by the Democrats on them not working with them would be a cow level of delusion that has not been seen before on the US political stage...

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Well I totally agree--but one of the dangers of ideology is that it skews your moral compass. Once you believe strongly enough in your ideological objectives, they grow in importance to the point that you no longer care how you achieve them. From the outside that looks morally twisted but the scary thing is that this guy probably sleeps like a baby.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Thor

Just watched Chuck Todd on MSNBC talking to a Republican Texas senator who is doing the new talking point of blaming the democrats for not working with them to fix the problems with health care.

These people have literally no shame, and hopefully for their sanity they are all liars because for them to believe that they are being treated badly by the Democrats on them not working with them would be a cow level of delusion that has not been seen before on the US political stage...

the depths of their hypocrisy is staggering to be honest...

once upon a time, principled legislators held their own party to account. But in listening to the GOP membership, both the House and the Senate, distance themselves from the healthcare bill is quite funny (ie incredibly cynical).

All the stuff they bitched and moaned about with the passing of Obamacare, they are doing 10 fold...

And the GOP base just shovels it down without chewing...

I actually am torn... i know a lot of people will be hurt by the passage of the bill, but at the same time, it seems like the only thing that will snap these folks out of their echo chamber is having the GOP F them over...

They are so ideological, they blame the Democrats and the media for everything going poorly for Trump. The GOP controls both houses and the presidency.

When they fk up Healthcare, there is no one else to blame... though, undoubted, there are people that are so brainwashed they'll still blame the Democrats.

kinda like this guy: Creationist Ken Ham blames atheists and ‘fake news’ for failing Ark Encounter theme park

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/creationist-ken-ham-blames-atheists-and-fake-news-for-failing-ark-encounter-theme-park/

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by photon

Jay Sekulow from Trump's legal team on ABC trying to say if Trump Jr.'s meeting was so nefarious, why did the Secret Service allow them into the meeting in the first place.

I like how the party of personal responsibility is trying to pin the responsibility for their own failure(s) on others.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by photon

Jay Sekulow from Trump's legal team on ABC trying to say if Trump Jr.'s meeting was so nefarious, why did the Secret Service allow them into the meeting in the first place.

they were too busy with Hillarys emails, and her empire of pizza joint child sex rings

[GordonBlue]

If there was going to be a coup, can it be at the Daily Show?

I'd love to see Trevor Noah overthrown and have Jon Stewart back.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by photon

Jay Sekulow from Trump's legal team on ABC trying to say if Trump Jr.'s meeting was so nefarious, why did the Secret Service allow them into the meeting in the first place.

This may be another slip up by Trump's legal clown team. The only reason for the Secret Service to have any involvement in vetting the meeting was if a person with a protection detail were involved in the meeting itself. The only person who had a protective detail until close to the election was Donald Trump. If the Secret Service had to vet the meeting, as suggested by Sekulow, that means Trump was indeed in the meeting. Yet another paper trail that will verify Trump's involvement in collusion with the Russians to alter the outcome of the election.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by New Era

This may be another slip up by Trump's legal clown team. The only reason for the Secret Service to have any involvement in vetting the meeting was if a person with a protection detail were involved in the meeting itself. The only person who had a protective detail until close to the election was Donald Trump. If the Secret Service had to vet the meeting, as suggested by Sekulow, that means Trump was indeed in the meeting. Yet another paper trail that will verify Trump's involvement in collusion with the Russians to alter the outcome of the election.

The secret service has said they didn't vet anyone at the meeting because Don Jr did not have secret service detail

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The secret service has said they didn't vet anyone at the meeting because Don Jr did not have secret service detail

Yes, that is what they said. They did not vet anyone at the meeting for Donald Jr. as he was not under protective detail. If I were Mueller, I'm talking to the Secret Service in greater detail as they would have a log of where Trump was that day, as well as who he met with. That ultimately should clear up whether Trump had contact with any of the parties involved on that day or the new that followed. Trump's own words on the campaign trail seem to indicate he was informed of the meeting prior to it happening, and then of the outcome from the meeting.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I cannot imagine that there is any schedule or record of meetings that Trump took that Mueller isn't carefully reviewing, given the nature of the investigation.

[DuffMan]

Trumps made in America week = epic fail

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...PrL?li=AAggFp5

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The secret service has said they didn't vet anyone at the meeting because Don Jr did not have secret service detail

Another case where Trump throws a respected American agency under the bus to deflect or to stroke his ego.

[Senator Clay Davis]

So the newest named storm for the hurricane season is...Tropical Storm Don. Someone is ####ing with us.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So the newest named storm for the hurricane season is...Tropical Storm Don. Someone is ####ing with us.

Is it passing through Mar-A-Lago? Tropical Storm Don does that every weekend for a round of 18.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Is it passing through Mar-A-Lago? Tropical Storm Don does that every weekend for a round of 18.

Trump isn't a tropical storm,

NSFW!

[activeStick]

Any history buffs know of any prior regimes that came to power using the same tactics that Trump and team have used? Discrediting media, pushing out their own stories as truth, etc.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Any history buffs know of any prior regimes that came to power using the same tactics that Trump and team have used? Discrediting media, pushing out their own stories as truth, etc.

The Nazis

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Any history buffs know of any prior regimes that came to power using the same tactics that Trump and team have used? Discrediting media, pushing out their own stories as truth, etc.

I think most fascist regimes run off of this playbook...none that I can think of has had to overcome the legal institutions the USA has though.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The Nazis

That's a bit extreme, even for this thread.

[direwolf]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/u...ub-ethics.html

Actions by President Trump and his administration have created a historic ethics crisis, the departing head of the Office of Government Ethics said. He called for major changes in federal law to expand the power and reach of the oversight office and combat the threat.

Walter M. Shaub Jr., who is resigning as the federal government’s top ethics watchdog on Tuesday, said the Trump administration had flouted or directly challenged long-accepted norms in a way that threatened to undermine the United States’ ethical standards, which have been admired around the world.

“It’s hard for the United States to pursue international anticorruption and ethics initiatives when we’re not even keeping our own side of the street clean. It affects our credibility,” Mr. Shaub said in a two-hour interview this past weekend — a weekend Mr. Trump let the world know he was spending at a family-owned golf club that was being paid to host the U.S. Women’s Open tournament. “I think we are pretty close to a laughingstock at this point.”