Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

The difference between .907 and .911 (Average) is very small.

I don't think I'm wrong in stating that the Flames netminding was pretty close to average.

I mean they are tied with the St.Louis Blues at .907 and the Blues are in the middle third on that list.

I think that your really wrong on that, first of all because the Stats don't really tell the story all that well. The Flames couldn't trust their goaltending.

A pretty good hot streak disguised an overall really below average performance by the Flames goalies.

And in the playoffs, it didn't matter how well the Flames played as a whole, and when you go back and watch that series the Flames were every bit as good as the Ducks. Except that the goaltending completely sank them.

Its actually more likely that the Flames see improvement in terms of consistency this year and move towards the mean then Talbot continuing to play 70+ games and bailing out a team that gave up a lot of danger area chances, and without Sekera there that blueline is poor.

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Let me see if I understand this reasoning:

The Flames have finished ahead of the Oilers in GF over the last two years despite the Oilers having McDavid, Draisaitl and Maroon on the roster and even adding Jokinen (28 points) won't move the needle much...and why will it change?

Flames have the better offensive team and their young forwards (Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett and Tkachuk) are all under 24 and still getting better and better.

The Oliers have a nice pair of offensive forwards but are vastly overrated in their offensive abilities and the proof is there.

oops, you didn't read what I said...I wasn't talking about the offense


killer deflection though

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Flames didn't finish ahead of the Oilers in GF last season.

Well, it's a good thing that I didn't make that claim then. Over the last TWO years, the Flames have scored 451 goal while the Oilers scored 442.

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by Plaedo

Please see how Edmonton compares to Calgary in regards to having enough star-ppwer to win the Cup.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...to-win-the-cuphttp://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...to-win-the-cup

now I'm convinced...Jets and Caps Final next year book it

edit: and LOL at Hamilton and Giordano ahead of Doughty, Keith, Malkin and Ovechkin...what a load of nonsense

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

now I'm convinced...Jets and Caps Final next year book it

Certainly better odds than booking the SC parade route on Jasper Ave!

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

oops, you didn't read what I said...I wasn't talking about the offense


killer deflection though

You might notice that I kind of reversed a few other parts too. I was using "your argument" to "prove" that the Oiler's offense is overrated in the same way you "proved" that the Flame's defense is overrated.

You seriously didn't understand that?

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by John Doe

You might notice that I kind of reversed a few other parts too. I was using "your argument" to "prove" that the Oiler's offense is overrated in the same way you "proved" that the Flame's defense is overrated.

You seriously didn't understand that?

we finished 8th in the league in GF...how is that "overrated"?
the Flames finished 14 in GA with Gio, Brodie and Hamilton and haven't finished top 5 in GA since the Kipper years

no one is claiming the Oilers have a top 5 offense (although we did finish ahead of the Flames last year)...unlike some Flames fans are saying about their defense (although the Oilers finished ahead of them in that category too)

[Jiri Hrdina]

So smug.

[Ashasx]

Oilers fans talk more about the Flames defence than Flames fans do.

[Sainters7]

Edmonton had an endless rotating goalie factory as well until they finally found something in Talbot last year. Love how quickly the smugness comes on once they finally have one good year for the first time in over a decade. Haven't lived in Edmonton since the end of the 2013 season, that year to year insomnia Oilers fans catch up there every season is still very much in play I see

[Oilers93]

The Flames D are a big reason why their tending has been average to poor the last few years. They give up way to many quality chances and have to tighten up in their own end.

Our D is a huge reason why Talbot had the year that he had. Yes, he did his part but at the same time the D made it easy for him a lot of nights. The addition of Larsson was huge.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oilers93

The Flames D are a big reason why their tending has been average to poor the last few years. They give up way to many quality chances and have to tighten up in their own end.

Our D is a huge reason why Talbot had the year that he had. Yes, he did his part but at the same time the D made it easy for him a lot of nights. The addition of Larsson was huge.

What a load of crap.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Oilers93

The Flames D are a big reason why their tending has been average to poor the last few years. They give up way to many quality chances and have to tighten up in their own end.

Our D is a huge reason why Talbot had the year that he had. Yes, he did his part but at the same time the D made it easy for him a lot of nights. The addition of Larsson was huge.

Which was why the Flames had to unload Kris Russell.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oilers93

The Flames D are a big reason why their tending has been average to poor the last few years. They give up way to many quality chances and have to tighten up in their own end.

Our D is a huge reason why Talbot had the year that he had. Yes, he did his part but at the same time the D made it easy for him a lot of nights. The addition of Larsson was huge.

This is the most delusional thing I have seen here in a very long time, and that is saying something.

[Ozy_Flame]

U wot m8 ur d is ####e its all bollocks chia be wankin sumfin fierce lets fite

[Southside]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

we finished 8th in the league in GF...how is that "overrated"?
the Flames finished 14 in GA with Gio, Brodie and Hamilton and haven't finished top 5 in GA since the Kipper years

no one is claiming the Oilers have a top 5 offense (although we did finish ahead of the Flames last year)...unlike some Flames fans are saying about their defense (although the Oilers finished ahead of them in that category too)

I dont come to the unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Forum expecting "we" to be referring to anyone but the Calgary Flames. Find a hobby or another board to post on.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think that your really wrong on that, first of all because the Stats don't really tell the story all that well. The Flames couldn't trust their goaltending.

A pretty good hot streak disguised an overall really below average performance by the Flames goalies.

And in the playoffs, it didn't matter how well the Flames played as a whole, and when you go back and watch that series the Flames were every bit as good as the Ducks. Except that the goaltending completely sank them.

Its actually more likely that the Flames see improvement in terms of consistency this year and move towards the mean then Talbot continuing to play 70+ games and bailing out a team that gave up a lot of danger area chances, and without Sekera there that blueline is poor.

I'd argue that average goaltending is usually inconsistent.

Goalies have good and bad stretches. Johnson and Elliot probably contributed to as many wins as they did to losses. There was a lot of talk for Johnson to make the all-star game early in the season. He had a good first half, and Elliot had a good second half.



Elliot's play in the playoffs was god awful for sure.

I think perhaps his playoff performance has changed some fans views of the goaltending performance over the entire season.

I don't remember fans panicking about the goaltending going into the playoffs. I think most were pretty OK with it at that time.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

oops, you didn't read what I said...I wasn't talking about the offense


killer deflection though

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I'd argue that average goaltending is usually inconsistent.

Goalies have good and bad stretches. Johnson and Elliot probably contributed to as many wins as they did to losses. There was a lot of talk for Johnson to make the all-star game early in the season. He had a good first half, and Elliot had a good second half.



Elliot's play in the playoffs was god awful for sure.

I think perhaps his playoff performance has changed some fans views of the goaltending performance over the entire season.

I don't remember fans panicking about the goaltending going into the playoffs. I think most were pretty OK with it at that time.

The problem is he was terrible at the two most important times of the year. His terrible play was one of the main reasons the team dug themselves an early hole, which eventually gave them the worst match-up in the first round.
And then he was awful for the playoffs.
Doesn't matter if your overall play is OK if you completely soil yourself when the team needs you most.

[Beninho]

Do flames fans join Oilers fan forums? All for intelligent conversations but do these Oiler posters actually come here for conversation or just to spark annoying arguments? Seems to be the latter usually.