Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[GGG]

What standard should we have for revoking citizenship? And if that standard existed would it even have been able to be applied in the Kadar case as evidence would have been tainted by torture.

You are right that targeting Imams who preach hate and encourage Jihad is a good way to prevent the radicalization of youth.

[PsYcNeT]

It would be a strange thing if the intelligence community could rule on citizenship status and thusly strip it. Seems like a weird place to grant that level of power.

[Fuzz]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/omar-k...204192?cmp=rss

For those worried Khadr will be living the high life with that mountain of cash, sounds like the lawyers will be getting big chunks of it over the 5 years. What a lucky guy!

Though they could settle, as mentioned at the bottom of the article. Does anyone else feel it would be a bit of injustice at the end of this if Khadr ended up with none of the money, having it all go to lawyers, or to the family of the US soldiers? I mean that our government wronged him, and to fix that we gave him money. Personally, I strongly disagree that the soldiers families are entitled to any of it given the farce of the "trial" that made the judgment in the first place and the fact that they were soldiers in a war zone.

[Resolute 14]

I have a very hard time believing Canadian courts will enforce an American judgement itself rooted in the decisions of a kangaroo court that justified torture. The lawyers, alas, will get paid. Given they worked to get him both his freedom and this settlement, they certainly deserve some level of compensation.

[Fuzz]

Oh, I agree, some level. I suspect somewhere around 30-40%. I'd just hate to see him lose the 100% of the compensation he received for the system failing him, in my mind that would be another failure of the system. "Here's your compensation. Oh, uh, ya you thought you'd see a dime of that? Nope!"

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/omar-k...204192?cmp=rss

For those worried Khadr will be living the high life with that mountain of cash, sounds like the lawyers will be getting big chunks of it over the 5 years. What a lucky guy.

I wonder if the lawyers will have to give back their award for pro bono work...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...award-1.732278

Dennis Edney and Nathan Whitling received National Pro Bono Awards on Thursday night at a ceremony in Vancouver. They were handed out during the Second National Pro Bono Conference.

[Fuzz]

I would guess it depends if the award for all their work for Khadr, or getting him to some point before the settlement. And if they take any of his settlement. Perhaps he keeps it all.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Put his fricken hands up, and say "Hey man I'm a teenager and I don't want to die"

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Of course its not a joke, its an asinine answer to what I feel is a bit of a silly question. Asking me what he should have done is irrelevant. The bottom line fact is that he did it, he had his own path that he followed.

I don't know how brain washed Khadr was, or if he was merely willingly following in the path of his father.

The question that is asked is a trap question because no matter how I answer it, the answer is going to be solidly called b$$#####.

If I say he should have surrendered when the the fire fight started or that he should have taken shelter and hid until the fighting is over would be equally ridiculed on one side, as the other side would ridicule me if I said, kill em all, its ok he was a brain washed robot and a complete victim.

So yeah, I answered the way that I did because it doesn't matter.

The question is almost on the same level as "Hey do you still beat your wife"

Thank you for answering. You're making my point for me, because I think any choice he made would end it BS one way or the other for him.


Please indulge me again - I'm not going to judge you based on what you answer (even if I did, there's no reason you should care); but I think it is extremely relevant when we are judging him for participating in training camps and building bombs on video. Perhaps I worded my question poorly, because I was really trying to understand what kind of autonomy people think Khadr had in his own life (at any point - getting away from the attack incident itself):

what action(s)/decision(s) could Khadr have made differently in his life leading up to the day of the attack?

this is a toss up for anyone - there are no penalties for wrong answers.

[Amethyst]

Exactly! He had no choice up to that point and even if he thought it was wrong (although would he if not exposed to any other viewpoint?) where could he go living where he did?

I think his lawyers deserve to be paid for their work. Hopefully they wouldn't have advised him to settle for an amount that paid them and gave him nothing. As he said in an interview, he would like to work as a nurse, but realistically who would ever hire him? I don't know if he's genuine about wanting to live a good life and help others, but if we leave him with nothing and everyone hating him, the chance that he can succeed diminish even more.

I don't think the soldier's family deserves anything, based on lack of a proper trial. His confession was given after years of torture. Sure, torture will get people to tell you things, but answers given after torture are notoriously unreliable.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Last time. Anti Sharia Law is not "white nationalist propaganda" and again last time, I'm not "white"

please just stop with your pro Islam crapola, I have a feeling you would support bin laden if he was alive

Spreading propaganda videos from the BNP and other hate groups is not run of the mill "anti-Sharia law" behaviour and should never be viewed as such, so no, I won't stop pointing out the hypocrisy of people who willingly promote hate and at the same time act as a moral authority or representative of Canadian values among others. Propaganda developed by hate groups is meant to fuel hate and is therefore directly opposed to Canadian values and it's "soul." Anyone who willingly spreads these things out of hate or ignorance are out of touch with Canada's soul and can make no claim of authority on it.

Your simplistic view that I'm simply "pro-Islam" and your assertion that I would support Bin Laden, of all people, goes to show that you lack the nuance required to understand the issues. It's a clear example of the connection between ignorance and hate.

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Wrong, his father failed him, as a country our intelligence agency should have thrown him from the country when he was known for supporting terrorism.

These two things are not mutually exclusive. His father failed him, and then we failed him. His father is dead, but Canada still had a duty to Omar that they did not uphold.

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Maybe we have it all wrong, it's not the young terrorists fault it's the teachers fault

I'll tell you who's fault it really is!!! It's Islams fault

Religion of peace my ass

This conversation actually has little to do with Islam, so I'm not sure the point of this rambling. Islam's presence within Al-Qaeda is irrelevant to the question of: is there a difference between a child indoctrinated into a terrorist cell and a adult who willingly joins it? Does the opportunity for a positive outcome change?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I can't believe this thread

When hockey fans argue whether a person making bombs for Al Qaeda should be considered a terrorist or not it makes me think this great country of Canada is slowly loosing it's soul and common sense

It's slowly gaining it.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It's slowly gaining it.

So up until recently Canada didn't have anything to be proud of when it came to rule of law and tolerance?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So up until recently Canada didn't have anything to be proud of when it came to rule of law and tolerance?

We're slowly gaining more of it, I guess? Wasn't meaning to be dismissive of our past, just that I feel the things that Snuffle stated as losing our soul as actually being the opposite.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I can't believe this thread

When hockey fans argue whether a person making bombs for Al Qaeda should be considered a terrorist or not it makes me think this great country of Canada is slowly loosing it's soul and common sense

The real question is if 15-year olds are people.

Save

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by SebC

The real question is if 15-year olds are people.

If a 15 year old blew up your brother what would he be?

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

If a 15 year old blew up your brother what would he be?

An Islamic terrorist?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

An Islamic terrorist?

Ummm, No, he would be a human being who blew up his brother.

Chances are he would be a 15 year old Islamic terrorist though

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Ummm, No, he would be a human being who blew up his brother.

Chances are he would be a 15 year old Islamic terrorist though

Or a good Ole Boy from Kentucky

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Or a good Ole Boy from Kentucky

This is more possible just based on the logistics/probabilities angle.

[powderjunkie]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/veter...ment-1.4206063

Interesting read. I don't think it's very really related to the Khadr payment, but hopefully this shines a light and helps address some of these issues. It would appear to be another case where multiple governments are dropping the ball.

It is a little sickening to me that the EI system has been managed so poorly for so long (to only finally be clamped down when people beyond the fisheries need it) yet wounded veterans appear to be nickled and dimed.