American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[DownInFlames]

Trump's FBI Director pick goes before the Senate Judiciary Committee tomorrow. He looks like a solid pick. No doubt he'll be asked how he would react to Trump looking for loyalty, if he hasn't already. Hopefully he responds as Comey did.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.53ac891c18e9

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Ducay

My first peek into this thread in months

Still an echo chamber; try again in a few months see if we have any diversity in perspectives, or still just forum version of CNN.

[Looch City]

I actually think Trump is an okay President. He's done well with what he's been given....the ruins of what Obama left him.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I actually think Trump is an okay President. He's done well with what he's been given....the ruins of what Obama left him.

name something

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

name something

He forgot the green text... I hope.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

name something

There is literally nothing except that he isn't a black man.

[Canuck-Hater]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I actually think Trump is an okay President. He's done well with what he's been given....the ruins of what Obama left him.

Not sure if serious?

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[GGG]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

name something

Economic performance by most measures is relatively unchanged from the Obama administration. So he isn't doing worse in arguably the most important measure of success (also the measure that is least in the presidents control and has a long carry over from previous actions)

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I actually think Trump is an okay President. He's done well with what he's been given....the ruins of what Obama left him.

He grabbed my cat.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I actually think Trump is an okay President. He's done well with what he's been given....the ruins of what Obama left him.

The ruins? Oh please expand on this. What ruins did Obama leave him? Also, what policies or laws has Mr. Trump passed that have had any effect on the economy or anything for that matter? The things that Trump has focused on have all had public negative outcomes. And you probably don't want to talk about foreign policy, where the shift in US behaviors has left allies scrambling and nations trying to fill the leadership role vacated by the Americans.

[Looch City]

Yeah I wasn't being serious, just providing a change of tone to the thread. But you can't do that without sounding like a lunatic.


You know what we all need right now? A speech by Obama so we can all feel warm and fuzzy inside again.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by GGG

Economic performance by most measures is relatively unchanged from the Obama administration. So he isn't doing worse in arguably the most important measure of success (also the measure that is least in the presidents control and has a long carry over from previous actions)

the argument can be made that Trump actually hasn't done anything with respect to policy however.

so the performance of the economy has stayed on the same trajectory that it was prior the election. ie Obama's policies are the reason for the current trajectory

What were his main economic moves?

1) pulled out the the TTP (which incidentally wasn't even in affect yet)
2) EO'd Keystone (again, that something else that hasn't actually started)
3) pulled out of the Paris Climate accord
4) froze hiring on federal workers

That's it. None of those would have significantly affected the economy. the PCC pullout might, but that just happened recently, so that hasn't done anything to the current economy

one can make an argument for 'confidence' particularly in projecting possible taxcuts, but that remains to be seen what/how that takes form,,, and healthcare repeal, which will affect 6% of the total economy

[DuffMan]

Didn't Trump say the unemployment and economic numbers were fake anyways?

[Fuzz]

You forgot all the coal miners he has put back to work. It's a real coal renaissance. Big money. Massive employment. GDP up 10%.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GGG

Economic performance by most measures is relatively unchanged from the Obama administration. So he isn't doing worse in arguably the most important measure of success (also the measure that is least in the presidents control and has a long carry over from previous actions)

It's basically impossible to see any meaningful effects on any economic performance measures in only 6 months.

The lagging economic effects of Trump isolating the US from its trade partners and allies will reverberate for generations if it's not reversed soon.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

the argument can be made that Trump actually hasn't done anything with respect to policy however.

so the performance of the economy has stayed on the same trajectory that it was prior the election. ie Obama's policies are the reason for the current trajectory

What were his main economic moves?

1) pulled out the the TTP (which incidentally wasn't even in affect yet)
2) EO'd Keystone (again, that something else that hasn't actually started)
3) pulled out of the Paris Climate accord
4) froze hiring on federal workers

That's it. None of those would have significantly affected the economy. the PCC pullout might, but that just happened recently, so that hasn't done anything to the current economy

one can make an argument for 'confidence' particularly in projecting possible taxcuts, but that remains to be seen what/how that takes form,,, and healthcare repeal, which will affect 6% of the total economy

I know, which was the point of the parenthesis portion of my post.

That said pulling out of the Paris accords will have positive affects long term for the economy as it reduces energy input costs to business and reduces consumer spending on essentials like gas and electricity freeing up more money to consume.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The lagging economic effects of Trump isolating the US from its trade partners and allies will reverberate for generations if it's not reversed soon.

I suppose. Although really (thankfully) I think he hasn't done anything on that front other then run his mouth. Well... I guess he withdrew from TPP but that just preserved the status quo. I think the real danger (to them) is more that they'll be left behind in the wake of further global economic integration. Really, economically speaking most of what Trump says he wants (but thus far, again thankfully, doesn't seem inclined to actually make) is just a recipe for stagflation.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by GGG

I know, which was the point of the parenthesis portion of my post.

That said pulling out of the Paris accords will have positive affects long term for the economy as it reduces energy input costs to business and reduces consumer spending on essentials like gas and electricity freeing up more money to consume.

Or it can have disastrous effects when US exports get taxed. Or European customers may decline to do business with you because you can't pass a Euro-centric environmental audit. That's starting to happen quite a bit. We've been audited by numerous European customers in the last couple of years and in order to do business with them we must meet their expectations not the expectations of the US government.

It also assumes that US based companies that drive the economy are going to forego commitments they have made towards environmental stewardship. I don't think you are going to see that happen because they are global. I know our company has already said we will still move forward to do our part to reduce emissions, reduce energy consumption, reduce water consumption etc well beyond what was expected.

Energy cost isn't the only thing affected by abandoning leadership on this issue.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Didn't Trump say the unemployment and economic numbers were fake anyways?

that's only when that suited his political end game...remember take him "seriously not literally"...

once those numbers continued to be favorable when he took office, lo and behold, they were accurate once more...

and his Sheeple ate it up

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

My son Donald did a good job last night. He was open, transparent and innocent. This is the greatest Witch Hunt in political history. Sad!

Remember: this is coming from a guy who said their last president wasn't even American and wanted to see his birth certificate for proof.