2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I don't see how playing 4th line minutes is going to be beneficial to his development when he is the top forward prospect in the organization. Top line minutes in the AHL would be the way to go IMO. The only way I see him being in the NHL is if Bennett gets moved to wing which should be the case anyway.

At the end of the day Jankowski might be the long term 4C on this team with Monahan, Backlund, Bennett ahead of him

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It would be a shock if he did. Stajan is a leader on the team, a vet who can slide up the lineup if needed, and has only this season left on his deal. Jankowski has had one pro year in the A. The smart move is to have Janko play another year in the A getting top line minutes for development and role with Stajan in his final year as the #4 C.

I agree with all of that with the exception that I think there's room for both players. I think Stajan and Jankowski could play centre and wing on the fourth line, and eventually Stajan might end up moving to wing on either the fourth or another line.

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I don't see how playing 4th line minutes is going to be beneficial to his development when he is the top forward prospect in the organization. Top line minutes in the AHL would be the way to go IMO. The only way I see him being in the NHL is if Bennett gets moved to wing which should be the case anyway.

Offensive prospects often break in on the fourth line, especially on a deep team. Theo Fleury did IIRC.

[Toonage]

Joe Thornton was a 4th liner when he started on the Bruins. Certainly not unheard of.

[Cgycowboy]

Just saw a nhl trade rumors thread that indicates jagr to the flames.

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[Beninho]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Your Jankowski sounds a lot like the Leafs' Frédérik Gauthier.

Please make educated statements, Jankowski had 27 goals and 56 points in 64 AHL games last season. Gauthier has 31 pts in 102
games in the AHL. I actually spit out my water when I read this post.

[Cgycowboy]

http://www.nhltraderumors.me/2017/07...ry-flames.html

here is the link for the rumour

[GranteedEV]

Mulling over it, we need to sign someone not named Iginla or Chiasson. Whoever we sign has to be someone who we are willing to waive if they are outplayed by Foo, Janko, Poirier etc. Chiasson has Gulutzan's friend card and will pick up right where he left off - not even scratched even when he was awful. And I do not want to be the organization that had to make a tough decision on Iggy. I tuink he is better than Brouwer but one guy has 4.5x3 on his contract so he is not getting waived no matter how atrocious or outplayed he is.

Stafford/Parenteau make more sense as the Setoguchi type sacrificial lambs.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Mulling over it, we need to sign someone not named Iginla or Chiasson. Whoever we sign has to be someone who we are willing to waive if they are outplayed by Foo, Janko, Poirier etc. Chiasson has Gulutzan's friend card and will pick up right where he left off - not even scratched even when he was awful. And I do not want to be the organization that had to make a tough decision on Iggy. I tuink he is better than Brouwer but one guy has 4.5x3 on his contract so he is not getting waived no matter how atrocious or outplayed he is.

Stafford/Parenteau make more sense as the Setoguchi type sacrificial lambs.

Although I agree with the sentiment, there should be many forwards on this team who need to earn a spot. Hamilton, Hathaway, Stajan, Brouwer, Lazar all look like guys who should not be comfortable with their spot in the lineup. Unfortunately one of them is in a big contract.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cgycowboy

http://www.nhltraderumors.me/2017/07...ry-flames.html

here is the link for the rumour

Highly unreliable considering this site also posted the Ovechkin rumor. Seems like it is slow for rumors so these sites are picking up Eklund trash now for hits

[Vinny01]

I don't think the Flames need to sign anyone for the rest of the summer

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Versteeg-Bennett-Lazar
Stajan-Jankowski-Brouwer
Hamilton/Hathaway

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Hamonic
Kulak-Stone
Wotherspoon/Bartkowski

Smith
Lack

Up front Bouma and Chiasson are being replaced by Jankowski and Lazar. If they bring in a Jagr then a guy like Stajan, Brouwer, Jankowski might have a hard time getting minutes. If injuries occur then guys like Shinkaruk, Poirier, Klimchuk, Mangipane will get a shot.


Unless it is a clear cut upgrade then the team could roll into camp as is and I would be happy

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don't think the Flames need to sign anyone for the rest of the summer

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Versteeg-Bennett-Lazar
Stajan-Jankowski-Brouwer
Hamilton/Hathaway

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Hamonic
Kulak-Stone
Wotherspoon/Bartkowski

Smith
Lack

Up front Bouma and Chiasson are being replaced by Jankowski and Lazar. If they bring in a Jagr then a guy like Stajan, Brouwer, Jankowski might have a hard time getting minutes. If injuries occur then guys like Shinkaruk, Poirier, Klimchuk, Mangipane will get a shot.


Unless it is a clear cut upgrade then the team could roll into camp as is and I would be happy

And, further to your thoughts, it's possible that a guy like Foo steals a job out of camp.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

At the end of the day Jankowski might be the long term 4C on this team with Monahan, Backlund, Bennett ahead of him

There likely isn't any such thing as a long term 4th liner on a contending team.

He'll eventually require more money than a 4th liner should get paid.

If he's actually decent and is pushed to the 4th line due to the team's depth, he'll be gone too.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Depending on what happens with the rest of the summer, our "4th line" could very well be Versteeg - Jankowski - Brouwer with Stajan being pushed down into the 13th forward spot.

Who would be the designated 4th line wingers at this stage, if not Versteeg and Brouwer?

Lazar, Hamilton and Hathaway are a few more possibilities for the 4th line. The buyout of Bouma makes it even more likely Hathaway makes the team to be that energy, grinder, hitting machine.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There likely isn't any such thing as a long term 4th liner on a contending team.

He'll eventually require more money than a 4th liner should get paid.

If he's actually decent and is pushed to the 4th line due to the team's depth, he'll be gone too.

Well my point was it doesn't make sense to keep Jankowski in the AHL while he waits for his top 9 spot unless the team trades one of their top 3 guys. Playing him 4th line with a Brouwer and Stajan

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think a lot of Flames fans are setting themselves up for disappointment with Jankowski next season. The guy has only been a pro for one year and the NHL is a massive step over the AHL. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a regular scratch at points this season and is sent back to Stockton at some point as part of the development process.

Yeah but he excelled in the AHL. And he wasn't some 20 year old in the AHL coming out of junior, this kid played 4 years of college BEFORE that. Lots of college players jump directly to the NHL or only need 1 season or less of seasoning in the minors.

its not guaranteed he makes the NHL to start the year but you have presented a flawed analysis of how ready he could be or not.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Well my point was it doesn't make sense to keep Jankowski in the AHL while he waits for his top 9 spot unless the team trades one of their top 3 guys. Playing him 4th line with a Brouwer and Stajan

Absolutely, he should be given every opportunity to make the team in whatever capacity he earns.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Joe Thornton was a 4th liner when he started on the Bruins. Certainly not unheard of.

Uhhh that's cause he was 18 years old. Jankowski's situation is nothing like it. He's older, more experienced, more developed and has already excelled in pro hockey

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Yeah but he excelled in the AHL. And he wasn't some 20 year old in the AHL coming out of junior, this kid played 4 years of college BEFORE that. Lots of college players jump directly to the NHL or only need 1 season or less of seasoning in the minors.

its not guaranteed he makes the NHL to start the year but you have presented a flawed analysis of how ready he could be or not.

You seem to believe he will make it and I'm just saying that he may need more time. You saying lots of college players make the jump directly really doesn't have a bearing on if Jankowski is ready. Poirier excelled in his first AHL season and it didn't translate to the NHL. Center is a more demanding position as well. I don't see why your analysis is any more sound than mine as neither of us has a crystal ball.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You seem to believe he will make it and I'm just saying that he may need more time. You saying lots of college players make the jump directly really doesn't have a bearing on if Jankowski is ready. Poirier excelled in his first AHL season and it didn't translate to the NHL. Center is a more demanding position as well. I don't see why your analysis is any more sound than mine as neither of us has a crystal ball.

Gee, I wonder why that is. I guess we should simply expect the same result with Jankowski since there is no good explanation for why Poirier struggled the past two years... or is there?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Gee, I wonder why that is. I guess we should simply expect the same result with Jankowski since there is no good explanation for why Poirier struggled the past two years... or is there?

Is Poirier the only example of a player with one good AHL season which didn't translate into a successful NHL career? That is just an example EE gave in a very balanced post. Do you disagree with his premise?