Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Right, because that's what the west does on purpose all the time, give me a break

They do it on accident? You actually believe that?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by blankall

It is against the laws of war to target a medic. Assuming Khadr actually did what he was accused of, add without his coerced confession, there may be no real proof of that, he could be responsible civilly and criminally.

Was Speer wearing a uniform that clearly indicated he was a medic? Didn't someone post earlier in this thread that he was wearing Afghan civilian clothing? Even if Khadr threw the grenade he was accused of throwing, how would he have known Speer was a medic?

[White Out 403]

I'm willing to believe that it's an accident but let's not be naive or ignorant... they know collateral damage is going to happen. That's not even a debate.

[Zarley]

Giving the money to Speer's family or another charitable cause would be a classy thing to do, I hope he does it.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Giving the money to Speer's family or another charitable cause would be a classy thing to do, I hope he does it.

why is it the classy thing to do? legitimately curious.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Don't want him to sue? Don't knowingly allow him to have his rights violated and be tortured.

Right because Canada had SO much pull their, the US would stick up their middle finger and tell us to pound sand if we asked for him to be out of Gitmo. And again, he was caught on film making IED's to kill coalition soldiers. He should be under charge for treason, no statute of limitations.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I'm willing to believe that it's an accident but let's not be naive or ignorant... they know collateral damage is going to happen. That's not even a debate.

I don't think MarchHare's post was suggesting it was an accident, he was illustrating that there could not have been intent to target a medic.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

They do it on accident? You actually believe that?

For the most part yes, or, some terrorist a-hole decides to use people as human shields and the decision is made to take him out regardless. But no, I don't for a minute believe the military purposely targets civilians.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Right because Canada had SO much pull their, the US would stick up their middle finger and tell us to pound sand if we asked for him to be out of Gitmo. And again, he was caught on film making IED's to kill coalition soldiers. He should be under charge for treason, no statute of limitations.

He was 12 or 13 in that video wasn't he?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

He was 12 or 13 in that video wasn't he?

And?

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I don't think MarchHare's post was suggesting it was an accident, he was illustrating that there could not have been intent to target a medic.

I was responding to a different post about missiles killing civilians. i dont think we kill innocent civilians on purpose with missiles and drones but we continue to do that because its an acceptable collateral damage that's been number crunched.

so to then spout off about how killing a medic is against the laws of war strikes me as wildly naive.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

For the most part yes, or, some terrorist a-hole decides to use people as human shields and the decision is made to take him out regardless. But no, I don't for a minute believe the military purposely targets civilians.

They purposely kill civilians to get their intended target. They know there will be civilian deaths and it didn't stop them and it won't in the future but you and others won't ever shed a tear for those innocent civilians.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

And?

You're going to have to do more here. Either you honestly don't know why he's bringing up that he's at best 13 years old, or, you are going to have to explain why we should begin treating all children who commit crime as if they're adults.

Either way, your opinion would be terrible. I just want to know which way to direct my eye roll.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

And?

Does this really need to be explained to you? He was a child. A child brain washed by his father.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Right because Canada had SO much pull their, the US would stick up their middle finger and tell us to pound sand if we asked for him to be out of Gitmo. And again, he was caught on film making IED's to kill coalition soldiers. He should be under charge for treason, no statute of limitations.

Had the government at least tried to stop what was happening they wouldn't have had to pay him. Not only did they not do that, they willingly participated in what was happening.

Your argument that he was doing this or he should have been charged with that or he deserved what happened or shouldn't have had any rights because of (fill in the blank) is the exact same line of thinking that got us to the point of having to pay him $10M.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

You're going to have to do more here. Either you honestly don't know why he's bringing up that he's at best 13 years old, or, you are going to have to explain why we should begin treating all children who commit crime as if they're adults.

Either way, your opinion would be terrible. I just want to know which way to direct my eye roll.

If you are a 13 year old kid making bombs, you know what you're doing. You know you're not making dry ice bombs in the back yard with your buddies. He was in a terrorist camp, learning terrorist tactics and anti-west Islamic teaching. His compensation was coming back to Canada. There were over 140 Canadians who didn't get to come back to Canada because people like him built those bombs.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

If you are a 13 year old kid making bombs, you know what you're doing. You know you're not making dry ice bombs in the back yard with your buddies. He was in a terrorist camp, learning terrorist tactics and anti-west Islamic teaching. His compensation was coming back to Canada. There were over 140 Canadians who didn't get to come back to Canada because people like him built those bombs.

so are you prepared then to move the age of consent to 13? try 13 year olds as adults?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

That doesn't specify what he's referring to. If he said "I'm sorry for throwing the grenade that killed him" that would be a little different.

He said he remembers throwing a grenade and waking up in a hospital to men screaming at him that he'd killed an American soldier. For years, Khadr believed Speer's death was his doing, but now he isn't so sure. Either way, it matters to Khadr.

"Of course it does, because on one side, I killed another person and on the other side, I didn't," he said. "So it does make a huge difference."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurenstrap...ill#.trb04AqY8

So he deserved to be tortured? Your making the settlement about something it's not.

Never said he deserved to be tortured.

Take the money out of the equation, this is about justice. He was wronged and he challenged that legally and won. If someone was a known gang member and they were wrongfully accused of killing someone you knew who was actually killed by someone else from the same gang, only to be exonerated after serving 20 years in prison, if that person sued the justice department and was awarded damages would you feel as though they should pay that money to the family of the person they didn't murder?

We don't know what damages a judge would have awarded because the Liberal govt didn't let the case go that far and instead chose to offer what they deemed a fair amount.

Let the elected officials pay for the damages. Taxpayers shouldn't be responsible for their screw ups.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Had the government at least tried to stop what was happening they wouldn't have had to pay him. Not only did they not do that, they willingly participated in what was happening.

Your argument that he was doing this or he should have been charged with that or he deserved what happened or shouldn't have had any rights because of (fill in the blank) is the exact same line of thinking that got us to the point of having to pay him $10M.

WTF? So now it's the governments fault that his dad who was buddies with OBL , was a psycho who took him to Afghanistan to be trained by Al Qaeda? Somehow that is the governments fault?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

so are you prepared then to move the age of consent to 13? try 13 year olds as adults?

In a case of something like 1st degree murder or treason? Yes.