Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

Former crown prosecutor Sandy Garossino describes just how weak the case against Omar was.

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017...dr-isnt-guilty

Yeah, I'll take your word for it. Not going to give a click to the Rebel Media of the left.

[Backlunds_socks]

Lol this case makes it ampley clear how racist society still is.

He was born into an abusve family who sent him to fight as a child; I'd call that an abused childhood, not one he created.

If he was white he'd have the entire country behind him.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Lol this case makes it ampley clear how racist society still is.

He was born into an abusve family who sent him to fight as a child; I'd call that an abused childhood, not one he created.

If he was white he'd have the entire country behind him.

No.

[GreenLantern2814]

Omar Khadr was enrolled by his father in a terrorist training camp when he was 11 years old. I learned this reading a super left Licia Corbella column.

As though any of us would do any better. Did the Nuremberg trials establish 11 year olds have a duty to resist brainwashing at the hands of their elders?

Do I think the government owes him $10.5M? The courts do, and I'm sure they've examined the issue far more exhaustively than the CP braintrust.

[cal_guy]

Here's an account of a gay Palestinian man who was from a prominent Hamas family. He fled his family at the age of 15 and was arrested in Israel. He was then raped by a Muslim man while in jail. The prison staff treated him well, but he was sent back to the West Bank when he was released. He secretly converted to Christianity, but his father found out and attempted to stab him, and he fled the house and was arrested by the Palestinian authority who tried to force him to convert back to Islam. After he was released from jail he fled to Canada after he learnt that his father wanted to murder him. He was denied asylum here and order deported back to the West Bank. He then fled to the US where he was granted a limited asylum.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/gay-and...-safety-in-us/

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Lol this case makes it ampley clear how racist society still is.

He was born into an abusve family who sent him to fight as a child; I'd call that an abused childhood, not one he created.

If he was white he'd have the entire country behind him.

Not a chance, if anything he'd probably have been treated worse. Also the echo's of traitor would have been louder. I would argue that if he was a white suburbanite kid who went off to join ISIS or Al Queda, most Canadians would have voted to let him rot in Gitmo, or bring him back and make him serve a life sentence here.



There was never any evidence that Omar was physically abused or even really physically coerced by his father and mother as far as I can see. Instead he was raised on his father's hateful ideology, radical Islam, and stories of the braveness of defending the Muslim faith. Its not like the Child Soldiers in Africa where they are abused, drugged and tortured. That didn't happen. Kahdr wanted to follow in his families footsteps.

Was he brainwashed, sure, we could use that definition, he was no different then a son that wanted his fathers respect and wanted to follow in his footsteps.

At the end of the day successive governments didn't want to handle the hot potato that was Omar Khadr.

The courts have basically awarded the money, that's over and done with.

The real scandal now is that a government that promised transparency once again kept secrets by releasing the funds before coming forward with the results of the settlement.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a civil suit against Omar Khadr, I wonder if there would be a valid lawsuit against the Canadian Government by the family of Chris Speer and Sgt Morris for committing an action to circumvent a US judgement.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not a chance, if anything he'd probably have been treated worse. Also the echo's of traitor would have been louder. I would argue that if he was a white suburbanite kid who went off to join ISIS or Al Queda, most Canadians would have voted to let him rot in Gitmo, or bring him back and make him serve a life sentence here.



There was never any evidence that Omar was physically abused or even really physically coerced by his father and mother as far as I can see. Instead he was raised on his father's hateful ideology, radical Islam, and stories of the braveness of defending the Muslim faith. Its not like the Child Soldiers in Africa where they are abused, drugged and tortured. That didn't happen. Kahdr wanted to follow in his families footsteps.

Was he brainwashed, sure, we could use that definition, he was no different then a son that wanted his fathers respect and wanted to follow in his footsteps.

At the end of the day successive governments didn't want to handle the hot potato that was Omar Khadr.

The courts have basically awarded the money, that's over and done with.

The real scandal now is that a government that promised transparency once again kept secrets by releasing the funds before coming forward with the results of the settlement.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a civil suit against Omar Khadr, I wonder if there would be a valid lawsuit against the Canadian Government by the family of Chris Speer and Sgt Morris for committing an action to circumvent a US judgement.

You really think his dad needed to physically hit him to abuse him? He was enrolled at a terrorist camp at age 11. When I was 11, my dad put me in the U of C Dino's hockey camp. The kid never stood a chance.

[oldschoolcalgary]

With a 100 million dollar judgement, it makes you wonder how much the US government pays out as compensation for collateral damage for the thousands and thousands of innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan and Iraq doesn't it?

the Speer settlement by itself is exponentially bigger than any condolence payment that the US gives out...even if all the condolence payments were combined, that single award to the Speer family dwarfs them

Strange that there's no outrage about how minuscule those payments are...

the grief and loss suffered by those families are no less crippling than that of the Speer family


.

[FlamesAddiction]

The Supreme Court decided a long time ago that his Charter Rights were violated. After he filed a lawsuit (for $21 million), it was only a matter of time until the Canadian Government would have to pay him.

The other political parties should be on their hands and knees thanking the current Liberals for not delaying until it became an issue for the next government, but also settling for a lot less than he likely would have gotten in a few of more years.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yeah, I'll take your word for it. Not going to give a click to the Rebel Media of the left.

There's plenty to read if you don't like that one. Even the wikipedia page raises a hell of a lot of questions about how the case was handled.

Nobody denies that he was tortured or that he confessed under severe conditions. His options were "confess and we'll put you on trial" and "don't confess and you'll never get a trial and we'll keep you here as long as we want'.

I understand wanting to ignore the problems with this approach to "justice" if it doesn't fit with what you believe happened, but that's how it was.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yeah, I'll take your word for it. Not going to give a click to the Rebel Media of the left.

It is a liberal leaning media source, but I think calling it the rebel media of the left is a little bit of an overstatement. In this case the article is written by a former crown prosecutor, and she's just explaining the facts of the case that was made against him.

[Hank Hill]

Who was the man Khadr confessed to killing?

Who was Sgt. Christopher Speer, the soldier who died in a firefight with Omar Khadr?http://nationalpost.com/news/world/w...ith-omar-khadr
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/w...ith-omar-khadr


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[Schraderbrau]

Taryn and Tanner Speer have had to suffer the injustice that childeren should never have to face. Having to be told your father was killed in service and deal with that an early age. Going to school every year for the Father's Day events without a dad to hold your hand, going to ball practice without a dad to play catch with, getting married without having your father to give you away. All the while dealing with the fact that the person who took their fathers life now lives a life of luxury with a 10 million dollar bank account, and a formal apology from the government who supports him. Sometimes life isn't fair, but this one really takes the cake.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Schraderbrau

Taryn and Tanner Speer have had to suffer the injustice that childeren should never have to face. Having to be told your father was murdered and deal with that an early age. Going to school every year for the Father's Day events without a dad to hold your hand, going to ball practice without a dad to play catch with, getting married without having your father to give you away. All the while dealing with the fact that the person who murdered their father now lives a life of luxury with a 10 million dollar bank account, and a formal apology from the government who supports him. Sometimes life isn't fair, but this one really takes the cake.

Murdered?

He was killed in a war sponsored by his government while being engaged in an assault on an enemy compound. That is not murder. It is tragic, and he died honourably in service to his country but it certainly isn't murder.

[Schraderbrau]

Originally Posted by GGG

Murdered?

He was killed in a war sponsored by his government while being engaged in an assault on an enemy compound. That is not murder. It is tragic, and he died honourably in service to his country but it certainly isn't murder.

Thanks for the clarification, I have made the corrections to ensure my point of Two childeren having to live their life without a father and having their innocence taken from them them is not overlooked. I appreciate your review and attempt to ignore the real message of my post that was intended to ensure we haven't forgotten about the real victims while all of this political mess plays out.

Much appreciated.

Let's not forget about Tanner and Taryn while we fight amongst ourselves while all this plays out.

[PepsiFree]

War isn't pretty, or nice. Speer willingly placed himself in a dangerous situation and for that he should be celebrated, but let's not pretend that his death in war is reason enough to strip the rights of someone else. Or that Speer's children and family are any more important than the many other children and families brutally affected by war (including then-15 year old Khadr).

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I would argue that if he was a white suburbanite kid who went off to join ISIS or Al Queda, most Canadians would have voted to let him rot in Gitmo, or bring him back and make him serve a life sentence here.

This is not equivalent to the Omar Khadr case.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Schraderbrau

Thanks for the clarification, I have made the corrections to ensure my point of Two childeren having to live their life without a father and having their innocence taken from them them is not overlooked. I appreciate your review and attempt to ignore the real message of my post that was intended to ensure we haven't forgotten about the real victims while all of this political mess plays out.

Much appreciated.

Let's not forget about Tanner and Taryn while we fight amongst ourselves while all this plays out.

Yes, war sucks, why don't you bring up every nameless Afghan civilian killed in similar raids. There are victims innocent throughout wars on both sides. It sucks. If your point is war creates orphans and that shouldn't be forgotten I agree with you.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by Schraderbrau

Thanks for the clarification, I have made the corrections to ensure my point of Two childeren having to live their life without a father and having their innocence taken from them them is not overlooked. I appreciate your review and attempt to ignore the real message of my post that was intended to ensure we haven't forgotten about the real victims while all of this political mess plays out.

Much appreciated.

Let's not forget about Tanner and Taryn while we fight amongst ourselves while all this plays out.

This thread is about Omar Khadr and the Canadian government being complicit in his torture, not about whether the US military should better compensate families for lost loved ones.

[transplant99]

Pretty spot on opinion piece that sums up the whole affair in a very unbiased way.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle35579228/