American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's currently 3.3%? Down from 8.5% in the 1960's? So you know, progress. They're getting there.

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Spoiler!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

More slight of hand from you, got anymore conservative straw men arguments to put forth?

Slight of hand? I thought I was the Liberal Fonzie?



Now it turns out I'm the Liberal Penn or Teller.

[photon]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Tell that to Trump's coal miners.

Robots have a saying, when one door closes another one opens... for robots...

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by photon

Robots have a saying, when one door closes another one opens... for robots...

I read that in a Bender voice

[photon]

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by photon

Robots have a saying, when one door closes another one opens... for robots...

Exactly. That saying doesn't apply to automated processes, really. Once a robot can drive a car better than a human there's no going back. You can't say "this is how it's always been" when it's not analogous to anything in our history.

[TheIronMaiden]

to be fair Photon, that is a pretty rough translation from

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

to be fair Photon, that is a pretty rough translation from

If you stare hard enough you can see a hot chick with big 00s!

[Wormius]

How many coal miners are there that are really looking forward to the going back to mining? Who needs doors to open when you have "supply".

Rick Perry on coal:

Here’s a little economics lesson: supply and demand. You put the supply out there and the demand will follow.

[photon]

Rick Perry did get a D in a college course at Texas A&M called 'Meats', he's doing the best he can with what he's got!

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Statistically speaking, it doesn't really happen in capitalist societies, but hey at least we know that propaganda and modern mythology works on this side of the world as well.

Yeah it does, it happens all the time. It doesn't happen in heavily regulated economies.

Meanwhile the U.S. stands at 73.8%.

I already explained how you can't take a tiny country in both population and area like Denmark (minus Greenland) and compare it to a giant country like the USA. There's other factors as well.

Not really a shining example of Marxism or modern day democratic socialism.

HAHAHA My favourite Neo-Marxist response, that wasn't real Marxism...... It never is is it? How many more times do we have to go down this road, it doesn't work. A big reason it doesn't is human nature. Democratic Socialism eh, kind of a misnomer isn't it? Tell me your thoughts on free tuition or some other Bernie rhetoric?

And that doesn't even address the fact that the Soviets basically went from what was essentially a completely agrarian society to a fully industrial one in one generation. That's ridiculous by any measurement, and doubly so when you consider the size of the country.

Now compare all those innovations of science and Nobel prize winners to the US. I honestly can't think of one Soviet era invention I use in my every day life. I like how you included contributions made after the collapse as well.

Yeah they killed all their productive farmers and many other productive people, then went chasing after there collective utopia..... How did that turn out? It's not that great of a feat when you consider what the cost was.

Okay, so I'll ask you again, what is a better statistical measurement? Your argument seems to boil down to "if a socialism country fails, it's because of socialism, but if a capitalist country fails, it's because of other underlying problems."

It's a hard comparison to make, there are way to many factors at play. Socialism can work for a small country for a time, but I don't think it could work for the US, there are many different circumstances. I think it would be foolish to try.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by photon

Rick Perry did get a D in a college course at Texas A&M called 'Meats', he's doing the best he can with what he's got!

That's only a couple of letters away from an A.

[Red Slinger]

I can't believe so many people are responding to Illuminaughty and his performance-art account.

This is clearly an act for attention because nobody who can actually type a full sentence is this dense.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Spinach

One of the favourite platitudes of the right: minimum wage killz jawbs!!!

Actually, if you look at places like Australia, a substantial minimum wage has not killed jobs. In fact, paying decent wages generates job satisfaction, which in turn increases productivity. Consumers, including those who make min wage, who can afford to spend more on products, generally do. Not only that, but inflation happens irrespective of the minimum wage. It's not as simple as saying prices go up only because of some damn law. How much they rise depends on a variety of factors, of which minimum wage is just one.

Or, if you're going to imply that the minimum wage is bad, then logically it must hold true that not having a minimum wage is good. Well, paying men and women pennies a day for their labour may have somehow gotten us through the 19th century, but there's no proof that abolishing the minimum wage works well in the 21st. It's kind of ironic that North Korea, which has no minimum wage if I remember right, is further proof of that.

Yet look at all the places that it has killed jobs? Australia has a booming economy for many reasons, minimum wage has nothing to do with that. They have a shortage of labor if anything, so what happens when you are short on supply, the prices goes up. I wonder what percentage of Australians work for minimum wage only, not including hospitality where tips are involved. Not the same at all.

The big problem with inflation is how much our currency gets devalued every year, that's the biggest issue. Thank a fiat central banking system for that, not capitalism.

You can't force somebody to voluntarily work for pennies, they have to agree to it. But you can force business to take on a burdensome cost.

Really you are going to cherry pick Australia and North Korea. One is Communist right? Living out the socialist dream.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I honestly thought I'd never meet a real person who truly believed in the adorable capitalist bedtime story known as "the American Dream."

How quaint. Like a 30 year old who still believes that *just maybe* Santa really is out there.

I honestly never thought I'd meet somebody that believed in 70 plus genders and biology isn't grounded in sex. But here we are.

[photon]

This kind of sounds like a trap, I highly doubt he's suddenly switched to wanting to actually fix or improve healthcare.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday that if the chamber's fledgling Republican Obamacare repeal effort falls short, Congress will have to pass a more limited bill to shore up health insurance markets.

"If my side is unable to agree on an adequate replacement, then some kind of action with regard to the private health insurance market must occur," McConnell said at a Rotary Club luncheon in Glasgow, Ky., the Associated Press reported. "No action is not an alternative. ... We've got the insurance markets imploding all over the country, including in this state."

A bill to strengthen the insurance markets would presumably need Democratic support to get 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. McConnell in the past has warned fractious GOP lawmakers that if the Republican-only repeal effort failed, he would be forced to work with top Democrat Chuck Schumer on legislation that conservatives would likely oppose much more than the GOP repeal bill.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-fix-it-240270

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by New Era

Slight of hand? I thought I was the Liberal Fonzie?



Now it turns out I'm the Liberal Penn or Teller.

Liberal Fonzie has a certain ring to it wouldn't you say?

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Exactly. That saying doesn't apply to automated processes, really. Once a robot can drive a car better than a human there's no going back. You can't say "this is how it's always been" when it's not analogous to anything in our history.

Yeah but then you are going to have a whole new industry that is going to involve maintaining these robots ect. ect. Maybe better road systems will need to be constructed.

It's going to happen, and it's going to be hard to argue against this innovation when it is ready. Hopefully it works out for the best.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

The problem with public healthcare/defence/infrastructure/police is you are forcing somebody to pay for somebody else's healthcare/defence/infrastructure/police. It's not voluntary and very costly.

The problem is that I'm not sure you understand the role of governments in modern society

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Liberal Fonzie has a certain ring to it wouldn't you say?

It does sound better than Liberal Penn & Teller.

I keep expecting a custom user title to show up after these back and forths.