[Signing] Leafs sign Marleau (3 yrs, $6.25 mil AAV) - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Erick Estrada · 07-02-2017, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

They did try... were in on Hamonic until the end.

They would have been better overpaying for Hamonic than Marleau. Seems like a pretty unbalanced roster.

MisterJoji · 07-02-2017, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun

$14.5 M in signing bonus money over three years

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger

Marleau: year 1) $8.5M 2) $6 mil. 3) $4.25

Full NMC.

77% of the contract is signing bonuses.

Got to think that there will be some sort of signing bonus regulations negotiated into the next CBA by the owners.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-02-2017, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Bahaha. Toronto? Does he consider them contenders in the next 2-3 years or something? Pretty far from California as well.

Clearly did it for the $. I hope he realizes for that cap hit he's signing up to be the new whipping boy in T.O. Have fun with that.

I would consider the leafs to be as much as a contender as the Flames
Great forward group that Marleau will help. More proven goal tending. Weak spot is the blueline for sure but most teams have holes.
It is a solid group overall that could surprise.

Erick Estrada · 07-02-2017, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild GM

I would consider the leafs to be as much as a contender as the Flames
Great forward group that Marleau will help. More proven goal tending. Weak spot is the blueline for sure but most teams have holes.
It is a solid group overall that could surprise.

Possible but when you see a handful of rookies come out like gangbusters like they did last season it's a lot to expect that they will surpass those lofty totals year after year. I would expect a little regression from them next season at least. Much like the Oilers they will have the burden of big expectations and teams won't be looking past them. Lots will have to go right for them to replicate last season's success.

Reign of Fire · 07-02-2017, 04:38 PM

I thought Lou said he won't spend money to jumpstart the rebuild, or some

like that

Cali Panthers Fan · 07-02-2017, 04:45 PM

Wow that contract sucks. SOOOOO glad we left that one alone.

There should be a new unwritten rule for the Flames G.M. (or really ANY G.M.). No contracts over $4 million for anyone over 35. There's no way the contract will be full value and you're on the hook for all of it.

I can stomach $4 million for older great players, but any more than that and you're throwing money away.

N-E-B · 07-02-2017, 04:46 PM

Yuck. Glad we stayed away at that price. I thought you might be able to nab him for half that price on a two year deal.

Roof-Daddy · 07-02-2017, 04:47 PM

Wow. Wanted Marleau but not with that contract.

djsFlames · 07-02-2017, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild GM

I would consider the leafs to be as much as a contender as the Flames
Great forward group that Marleau will help. More proven goal tending. Weak spot is the blueline for sure but most teams have holes.
It is a solid group overall that could surprise.

And 'most teams' aren't legitimate contenders. Holes often are what keep teams off the list of actual contenders in this league. So that's poor rationalization.

Did you see how porous the Leafs defence was this year? They have a long way to go yet. Inexperience + their high octane river hockey approach? You're not competing with their current blue line. The Caps are not a good playoff performing team and every spring is a head game for them, so I don't think that series was as indicative as people in the center of the universe would like to think.

Strange Brew · 07-02-2017, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

They did try... were in on Hamonic until the end.

Interesting. Were they not willing to pay the price Treliving paid, or perhaps they valued Calgarys picks more?

bluejays · 07-02-2017, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This is what the Leafs do best, horrible overpayment on UFA day. They had Finger, they had Clarkson, now they have Marleau. To get a guy locked down for his 38, 39 and 40 year old years with a full NMC for only 6.25 million, what a steal.

This isn't even close to those two. Finger was complete nonsense and it came out of nowhere, Clarkson put together one good season and it was still overpayment. Marleau has shown he's a really solid player, even at his age and has played in a harder division.

I posted that I would sign the guy for 3 years @ $7M if push came to shove. On the Leafs he'll score slightly more now that he's out of the Western Conference. The one thing that can be slightly concerning is his NMC, but for the Leafs they don't have many of those (if any) so it should be fine.

The Leafs are still 2 top pairing d-men from being legit.

Enoch Root · 07-02-2017, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Interesting. Were they not willing to pay the price Treliving paid, or perhaps they valued Calgarys picks more?

Apparently Toronto offered JVR and a 1st. They took our picks instead. May have been an east vs west thing to an extent as well

Strange Brew · 07-02-2017, 04:52 PM

Once I moved from Canada, my dislike for Leafs and Habs really diminished, to the point where I can somewhat enjoy those seeing these iconic franchises have some success. I have always liked Marceau so I hope he does well there. Like others, I am surprised his AAV is so high but it could easily end up being just a 2 year deal.

Lanny_McDonald · 07-02-2017, 04:54 PM

Holy overpayment Batman! Glad we dodged that bullet. On to other - cheaper - options.

Enoch Root · 07-02-2017, 04:54 PM

The structure makes sense with respect to being able to move him after 2 years plus the bonus payment.

But if that's the plan, why on earth would you give him an NMC?

djsFlames · 07-02-2017, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Wow that contract sucks. SOOOOO glad we left that one alone.

There should be a new unwritten rule for the Flames G.M. (or really ANY G.M.). No contracts over $4 million for anyone over 35. There's no way the contract will be full value and you're on the hook for all of it.

I can stomach $4 million for older great players, but any more than that and you're throwing money away.

Agreeed.

I don't care who you are. No one at that age actually ends up earning a 6+ million contract over multiple years. It's rare to have a single season in there up to that value (can happen) but definitely not over multiple years. Nobody getting signed for that money can be called a 'fair' or 'good' contract. That's straight up UFA robbery any way you cut it. Toronto are just suckers for themselves and their young cinderella team that they were willing to splurge and overpay for an area they didn't even need to spend on.

Strange Brew · 07-02-2017, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Apparently Toronto offered JVR and a 1st. They took our picks instead. May have been an east vs west thing to an extent as well

Maybe the conference thing did play into it. I would think JVR is worth 2 seconds, but perhaps they didn't want picks or JVR but realized the picks were more easily tradeable.

ricosuave · 07-02-2017, 05:05 PM

hahahahaha leafs gonna leaf

GranteedEV · 07-02-2017, 05:06 PM

This sets Toronto up to move JVR for a blueliner to help out Gardiner/Reilly/Zaitsev. I would not have liked this for Calgary but we have way more dead cap than the Leafs do.

Beninho · 07-02-2017, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

This sets Toronto up to move JVR for a blueliner to help out Gardiner/Reilly/Zaitsev. I would not have liked this for Calgary but we have way more dead cap than the Leafs do.

I don't think JVR lands them a solid top 4 Dman. Teams just don't value him as much as the Leafs and their fans think, it would need to be JVR+

proven too 4 Dmen dont become availible all that often. Why Hamonic was so coveted. I don't really see who they would go for