07-01-2017, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Is Giordano in decline? I thought he was great last year.
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No, I didn't mean to imply Giordano is in decline. Just Vlasic based on his performance last year
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07-01-2017, 11:54 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: 110
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Thank goodness, now his wife can continue to fly their dogs on a private jet and buy more shoes.
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07-01-2017, 11:55 AM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Vlasic is a solid defenseman but is he a guy that's going to play well into his mid-30's?
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07-01-2017, 11:56 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by FurnaceFace
Thank goodness, now his wife can continue to fly their dogs on a private jet and buy more shoes.
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As if this is a necessary post. 
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07-01-2017, 11:56 AM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Sep 2016
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07-01-2017, 11:57 AM
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#26
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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The money is about right, the term isn't.
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07-01-2017, 11:59 AM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Doesn't matter though, I'm sure if their play drops off and they become massive anchors, the Sharks will be able to wriggle out them somehow. Like compliance buy outs after the next lock out or something like that.
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Probably a good discussion topic when the dust settles in the next week or so, but one wonders if the compliance buyout factor is built into any deal the spans past the next CBA deadline. Guaranteed they will be a thing after that is all said and done and teams would be smart to plan and factor for that now.
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07-01-2017, 03:50 PM
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#28
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Closet Jedi
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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen
The money is about right, the term isn't.
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Sigh. This gets said a lot. It doesn't make sense. money and term are interconnected. You can't think about them separately.
The sharks obviously don't think he will be a 7M defenseman at age 38. It means they think he is worth ~9-10M for the first few years, then 7, then ~4-5M in his last couple years. If they buy out his last few years, it gives theoretically gives them a 9M dman at a 7M cap hit for the first few years.
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07-01-2017, 03:53 PM
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#29
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Originally Posted by browna
Probably a good discussion topic when the dust settles in the next week or so, but one wonders if the compliance buyout factor is built into any deal the spans past the next CBA deadline. Guaranteed they will be a thing after that is all said and done and teams would be smart to plan and factor for that now.
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Wouldnt surprise me if it was in the back of Tres mind with the Gio deal.
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07-01-2017, 03:56 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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We're officially in the post Keith/Hossa cap-circumvention era, not gonna get discounts on 30 year old star players by taking on a few "allergic reaction" years.
You really have to get as much term out of your RFAs and move on from all but the best after age 29.
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07-01-2017, 04:04 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup
Sigh. This gets said a lot. It doesn't make sense. money and term are interconnected. You can't think about them separately.
The sharks obviously don't think he will be a 7M defenseman at age 38. It means they think he is worth ~9-10M for the first few years, then 7, then ~4-5M in his last couple years. If they buy out his last few years, it gives theoretically gives them a 9M dman at a 7M cap hit for the first few years.
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Well then they're wrong. No way he's worth 9-10 million. I would only give that money to 2 or 3 defensemen in the entire league. Doughty makes $7 million, and I don't think Vlasic is on the same level as Doughty, but I do understand this is a UFA contract, so adjust for inflation.
Vlasic is a great shutdown defenseman, but you need a guy to put up some major points as well for that price. His highest point total was 39 points 2 years ago, but has mostly been in the low 20s on average for his career.
This is a bad deal, both now and in the long term.
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07-01-2017, 09:00 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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You also have to define your window. You over term players at the start of your window and then eat the bad contracts / buyouts / retain salary for the last 3/4 years when you reload.
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07-01-2017, 09:08 PM
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#33
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly06Cup
Sigh. This gets said a lot. It doesn't make sense. money and term are interconnected. You can't think about them separately.
The sharks obviously don't think he will be a 7M defenseman at age 38. It means they think he is worth ~9-10M for the first few years, then 7, then ~4-5M in his last couple years. If they buy out his last few years, it gives theoretically gives them a 9M dman at a 7M cap hit for the first few years.
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If the Sharks think Vlasic is anywhere close to a $9 million dollar d-man even right now or anytime in his career they're sadly mistaken. Vlasic is a good dman, but he's a $6.5 million d-man at best, so yes it is a long contract and a lot of guaranteed money in his declining years.
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07-01-2017, 09:39 PM
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#34
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Way to much for Vlasic. Term especially
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07-02-2017, 12:08 AM
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#35
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SJ picked him with the pick we gave up for Kipper, right?
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07-02-2017, 12:10 AM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by killer_carlson
SJ picked him with the pick we gave up for Kipper, right?
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Yep
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07-02-2017, 12:12 AM
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#37
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Vlasic is great but he'd be Calgary's highest paid D.
That's all you need to know about the contract IMO.
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07-02-2017, 02:22 AM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Not sure what is going on in SJ, management there is signing some pretty crazy contracts. Even Joe Thornton, I guarantee he would have taken quite a bit less than 6M to return.
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07-02-2017, 03:21 AM
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#39
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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SJ is on the way down just like LA and Vancouver
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07-02-2017, 08:17 AM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by jlh2640
SJ is on the way down just like LA and Vancouver
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Let's hope so. Wilson has been able to retool on the fly in the past, but hopefully a full on rebuild is required and the Sharks fail to perform one, leaving them as a miserable bubble team for the next 5 seasons or so.
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