[Signing] McDavid signs extension: 8 years, 12.5M per.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm probably in the minority here as I was a big Lucic fan when he was with the Bruins. It doesn't seem he was as bad as some people say last year, he did score 23 goals. But his playoff production was underwhelming. He obviously has a high risk contract that almost assuredly will bite the Oilers. But it was a case of them clearly believing they needed exactly that type of player.

Is it a known fact there were no real competitors for his services or did Oilers have to outbid people to get the guy they coveted?

From an article:

The Oilers reportedly beat out a host of suitors, including the Dallas Stars and Vancouver Canucks. Vancouver has signed Loui Eriksson instead. Lucic has spent the last few seasons with the Los Angeles Kings.

https://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2016/7/...ssive-contract

So there was likely some bidding going on

[OILFAN #81]

Pouliot on unconditional waivers this morning in order for a buyout.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Pouliot on unconditional waivers this morning in order for a buyout.

$1.333 On the cap for the next 4 years.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

TSN seemed to indicate this morning that the ask for Draisaitl was 10 and the Oilers were wanting to stick to 8. They kept comparing it to Crosby-Malkin, at this point Crosby is still the best player in the world, but when did Malkin become a comparable to Draisaitl?

he isnt..but its a classic case of the oilers annoitning someone as a super star before they are one.. if u say it enough times.. its true.?? oiler players and oiler teams have to prove they aren't good.. everyone else has to prove they are...

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Draisaitl scored 2 less points this year in the playoffs than Malkin did on the cup winner last year.

Not saying they are comparable but there is definitely a statistical argument to be made on the surface.

i dont know... think so..?? thats not much of a statistical argument.. lots of players have good playoff runs.. thats very bottom barrel comparison...

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm probably in the minority here as I was a big Lucic fan when he was with the Bruins. It doesn't seem he was as bad as some people say last year, he did score 23 goals. But his playoff production was underwhelming. He obviously has a high risk contract that almost assuredly will bite the Oilers. But it was a case of them clearly believing they needed exactly that type of player.

hello strange brew, how are u
you probably are in the minority.. because its not about how good lucic is in years 1 or two.. its about how much of an anchor that contract is when the big mans body breaks down in the later years... most ppl thought he'd be good this year.. but its year one of many years...

and was he that good away from mcdavid..? dont think so but cant remember...

take care.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm probably in the minority here as I was a big Lucic fan when he was with the Bruins. It doesn't seem he was as bad as some people say last year, he did score 23 goals. But his playoff production was underwhelming. He obviously has a high risk contract that almost assuredly will bite the Oilers. But it was a case of them clearly believing they needed exactly that type of player.

Is it a known fact there were no real competitors for his services or did Oilers have to outbid people to get the guy they coveted?

I don't think the oilers really expected to make the playoffs last year.

I look at the lucic contract like the wideman contract (but worse). When Calgary signed him and he was terrible, it didn't really matter too much because hey, what else are the flames going to spend money on.

In the final 2 years of his contract though he was an absolute anchor; a significant obstacle towards fielding a better roster. The worst part was there was absolutely nothing the Flames could do about it. A buyout would've been too costly and trading him wasn't an option because of his rock bottom low value and his NMC.

The entire organization was in a holding pattern for 700+ days, during some of their emerging players most productive years.

This is what is staring the Oilers in the face with Lucic, a guy who last year I thought clearly looked as though he had lost a step, and who in the playoffs looked like his physicality was marginalized because of that lack of footspeed. Can't hit what you can't catch.

You look at a team like Vancouver with Eriksson, another bad contract. However, it's an example similar to the wideman deal. That team is so bad it doesn't matter.

THe oilers basically shot themselves in the foot immediately after acquiring a franchise or generational player.

The only way out of that deal will be by packaging significant assets with it, or buy lucking into a compliance buyout.

Lucic may not be awful but he's going to be an anchor on that team for years barring a miracle.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm probably in the minority here as I was a big Lucic fan when he was with the Bruins. It doesn't seem he was as bad as some people say last year, he did score 23 goals. But his playoff production was underwhelming. He obviously has a high risk contract that almost assuredly will bite the Oilers. But it was a case of them clearly believing they needed exactly that type of player.

Is it a known fact there were no real competitors for his services or did Oilers have to outbid people to get the guy they coveted?

I think a lot of trepidation surrounding Lucic and the Oilers in general is that last season absolutely everything went their way.

That was a Cinderella season for the Oil, going from complete dogcrap to the second round, and I think the prevailing sentiment is that they're much more likely to turn back into a Pumpkin than finally Marry Prince Charming.

So out of Lucic's 7 year contract that was likely as good as it gets.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Pouliot on unconditional waivers this morning in order for a buyout.

an advanced statistics darling when signed... a black eye on those who pump its tires... a punch in the face to those and maybe the junk.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think a lot of trepidation surrounding Lucic and the Oilers in general is that last season absolutely everything went their way.

That was a Cinderella season for the Oil, going from complete dogcrap to the second round, and I think the prevailing sentiment is that they're much more likely to turn back into a Pumpkin than finally Marry Prince Charming.

So out of Lucic's 7 year contract that was likely as good as it gets.

I think that's the prevailing sentiment here. Around the league not so much.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Pouliot on unconditional waivers this morning in order for a buyout.

This doesn't make sense to me, but I guess the OIlers don't have a Tereveinen to attach to him to ship him off somewhere.

1.3 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years on a buyout.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Pouliot on unconditional waivers this morning in order for a buyout.

Big salaries coming in, THIS year. Draisaitl is going to get the big bump he's demanding. Chia is clearing the deck to accommodate it.

[CaptainCrunch]

It would be foolish for Draisaitl not to drag this out for as long as he can, first of all to make sure on July 1st that his agent can talk to every team in the NHL. I also by stretching it out and saying nein a lot it puts the pressure on Chia to get a deal done before training camp opens.

there's really no losing for Draisaitl if he wants 9 million bucks to keep this rolling up to the end of the first week of training camp.

Doesn't he also have the option of playing in Europe, can that not be a strong leverage point.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I think that's the prevailing sentiment here. Around the league not so much.

Fine. Fair.

But the fact of the matter is that if their goaltending so much as stumbles even a little and McDavid is anything less than stellar, Art Ross stellar, where are they?

The stars aligned for the Oilers last year.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Gregor tweeted it.

Well, that's a reliable source.

[TheIronMaiden]

The Oilers are no doubt right to hitch their cart to the Mcdavid and Draisaitl horse, but it has to be a point of concern that they will be loading up their cap on poor assets 2-3 years down the road.

Granted they don't have many contracts penciled in at that point but still they will be paying Lucic, Russell, and Pouliot a combined 11.333M.

The fact of the matter is that it will take good drafting, along with exceptional play from those two if they want sustained success. I am not saying that it is impossible but their cap structure appears to be short sighted.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

...THe oilers basically shot themselves in the foot immediately after acquiring a franchise or generational player.

The only way out of that deal will be by packaging significant assets with it, or buy lucking into a compliance buyout.

Lucic may not be awful but he's going to be an anchor on that team for years barring a miracle.

This is precisely right, but I think by comparing Lucic's deal to Wideman's you are underestimating how truly terrible his contract is. Lucic signed for seven years, so while Flames pined for the final two years of Wideman's deal for the day it would be erased, Oilers fans will be doing so for at least four years. Does anyone expect Lucic to be any better than he was last year? Or in the year after?

Basically, the Oilers paid $42 m for the novelty of what Lucic can provide in a season or two.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by New Era

Well, that's a reliable source.

Where is the source on the $10 million ask? How are they any more credible?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This doesn't make sense to me, but I guess the OIlers don't have a Tereveinen to attach to him to ship him off somewhere.

1.3 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years on a buyout.

I guess the realization hit that nobody would take that guy at 4 million bucks a year. It frees up some short term cap for the Oilers, but stretching it out over 4 years probably isn't ideal for them, the Oilers are in a situation where every single penny counts.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So now we can start with the math.

fun numbers for Connor McDavid

Based on last years number


$414,666 per goal
$132,500 per point
$509,615,385 per pim
$161,585,365 per game
$110,416,666 per dive/headsnap/embellishment
$52,788,844 per shot
$7,025 per minute

More numbers fun. Accordint to TSN (sourced from Spotrac.com):

"At $13.25 million, McDavid would be the 89th highest paid player in MLB, 75th highest paid player in the NBA and 23rd highest paid player in the NFL, according to spotrac.com."

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/mcdavid-clo...nsion-1.791267

[jlh2640]

I remember my bozo Oiler buddies telling me they were trading Pouliot for Barrie last year ! man are they delirious

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I guess the realization hit that nobody would take that guy at 4 million bucks a year. It frees up some short term cap for the Oilers, but stretching it out over 4 years probably isn't ideal for them, the Oilers are in a situation where every single penny counts.

You'd think they'd even package a player like pujularvi or a first rounder with Pouliot to ship him to the dogs or the canes or something.

That was the cost to move bickell for the Hawks, basically the same scenario, 4 million dollar player with no future on his current team.