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Old 06-29-2017, 09:18 AM   #381
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the first of those ufa years is still six years away.. How quickly can something happen in those six years to potentially ruin the earnings potential of a young athlete.. Sure he left money on the table signing for 8..he also has secured himself almost forty million for those years instead of maybe more later.. It's a prudent decision..
Oh, I am not disputing that. Just saying that he didn't maximize $$$ and did not choose the quickest route out of Edmonton, so Oiler fans should be happy.
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There are risks both ways. He could have gone 5x15 and then 8x20(?). I think if we are honest, and he was with the Flames, we would have been thrilled with the 8 years...
Again, very true. It means that this contract pays him north of $100M and hes still out of it in his prime at ~28. You get 8 years of him.
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:28 AM   #383
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Oh, I am not disputing that. Just saying that he didn't maximize $$$ and did not choose the quickest route out of Edmonton, so Oiler fans should be happy.
WTF? Oiler fans should never be happy. They should be miserable because they cheer for the Oilers.

That being said, thinking about being in the shoes of an Oiler fan, this particular contract is OK, hurts a little but they do have the best player in the league tied up for an extra 8 years. It would hurt less if they had managed their other players' contracts better. Lucic in particular hurts.
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WTF? Oiler fans should never be happy. They should be miserable because they cheer for the Oilers.

That being said, thinking about being in the shoes of an Oiler fan, this particular contract is OK, hurts a little but they do have the best player in the league tied up for an extra 8 years. It would hurt less if they had managed their other players' contracts better. Lucic in particular hurts.
The thing that gets me is not that that contract is going to hurt, its that everyone knew it in advance. Why didnt LA even bother offering something comparable?

But the Oilers gonna Oil and they did it anyways.
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Why has no one brought up the next 8 years of flames defence? Okay we have the next 4 "covered"........the other 4 are the scariest part. 26 year old Mcdavid is a lot more terrifying then any solid top 4 d/future kipper(wishful thinking) that is not under contract as of today.
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:35 AM   #386
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Why has no one brought up the next 8 years of flames defence? Okay we have the next 4 "covered"........the other 4 are the scariest part. 26 year old Mcdavid is a lot more terrifying then any solid top 4 d/future kipper(wishful thinking) that is not under contract as of today.
OK.

So we extend Dougie, Brodie and Hamonic when the time comes. Whats your point?
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:40 AM   #387
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But he gave them 3 years as well, which is huge. Given that he could have gone 5x15, this is a gift.
That to me is the big part of remains to be seen.

At some point, if the cap remains fairly flat, and the Oilers can't make it work with their cap situation, and McDavid goes I wanna play for a team with more then 4 good players. . .
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That to me is the big part of remains to be seen.

At some point, if the cap remains fairly flat, and the Oilers can't make it work with their cap situation, and McDavid goes I wanna play for a team with more then 4 good players. . .
Thats 1 more good player than they currently have, why would he change his mind now?
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:54 AM   #389
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The thing that gets me is not that that contract is going to hurt, its that everyone knew it in advance. Why didnt LA even bother offering something comparable?

But the Oilers gonna Oil and they did it anyways.
Agree big time.

I think we all assume GMs know more than the average hockey fan, but then a deal like this comes along and you just shake your head.

I get needs, and filling needs, and having to pay to fill them. I get that July 1st is a time you have to over pay.

I understand that the Flames wanted to get bigger, add some grit to the right side and supplement the character in the room and that Brouwer was a lot cheaper than some other options. I think they paid 1M too much and a year too many and they are paying for it.

But Lucic?

The league is getting faster by the day, and he had already slowed down. How could Chirelli not see the wheels coming off on this one before the midpoint of the contract? 6m x 7 is three years too long and a $1M high.

There were rumblings about Calgary at the time which had me a) worried but also b) grinning as I think it helped push Edmonton to do something silly.
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Agree big time.

I think we all assume GMs know more than the average hockey fan, but then a deal like this comes along and you just shake your head.

I get needs, and filling needs, and having to pay to fill them. I get that July 1st is a time you have to over pay.

I understand that the Flames wanted to get bigger, add some grit to the right side and supplement the character in the room and that Brouwer was a lot cheaper than some other options. I think they paid 1M too much and a year too many and they are paying for it.

But Lucic?

The league is getting faster by the day, and he had already slowed down. How could Chirelli not see the wheels coming off on this one before the midpoint of the contract? 6m x 7 is three years too long and a $1M high.

There were rumblings about Calgary at the time which had me a) worried but also b) grinning as I think it helped push Edmonton to do something silly.
Classic case of a manager going with a familiar face instead of a new hire.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the oilers are banking on some form of salary rollback in the upcoming CBA negotiations to take a bit of the sting out of this contract.
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If Draisaitl comes in at $8M or more, the Oilers will never be able to build a competitive team. Hockey is all about depth, and having two players eat up almost a third of the cap space is not a recipe for success.
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TSN seemed to indicate this morning that the ask for Draisaitl was 10 and the Oilers were wanting to stick to 8. They kept comparing it to Crosby-Malkin, at this point Crosby is still the best player in the world, but when did Malkin become a comparable to Draisaitl?
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Kypreos was on some show doing an interview on a handy cam from his back porch.

They talked about Ottawa losing Methot and that Phaneuf is going to go and Kyp spent 10 minutes basically screaming about how the Salary cap sucked, and it was wrecking the Sens.

then he talked about the Oilers and he figured that the threshold for the Oilers being able to build team awesome was for the Connor and Draisaitl contracts to add up to 21 mil or less.

Then he hawked a loogie on the ground and adjusted his tattered wife beater T-Shirt.
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TSN seemed to indicate this morning that the ask for Draisaitl was 10 and the Oilers were wanting to stick to 8. They kept comparing it to Crosby-Malkin, at this point Crosby is still the best player in the world, but when did Malkin become a comparable to Draisaitl?
Draisaitl scored 2 less points this year in the playoffs than Malkin did on the cup winner last year.

Not saying they are comparable but there is definitely a statistical argument to be made on the surface.
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TSN seemed to indicate this morning that the ask for Draisaitl was 10 and the Oilers were wanting to stick to 8. They kept comparing it to Crosby-Malkin, at this point Crosby is still the best player in the world, but when did Malkin become a comparable to Draisaitl?
There were reports this morning the Draisaitl camp has not asked for 10 million.
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There were reports this morning the Draisaitl camp has not asked for 10 million.
Well, the Oilers have a history of giving out identical contracts so maybe hes after the $13.25/8 McDavid Special?

I'm totally joking but you have to admit it would be hilarious...from a Flames fan's perspective.
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Classic case of a manager going with a familiar face instead of a new hire.
I'm probably in the minority here as I was a big Lucic fan when he was with the Bruins. It doesn't seem he was as bad as some people say last year, he did score 23 goals. But his playoff production was underwhelming. He obviously has a high risk contract that almost assuredly will bite the Oilers. But it was a case of them clearly believing they needed exactly that type of player.

Is it a known fact there were no real competitors for his services or did Oilers have to outbid people to get the guy they coveted?
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