06-28-2017, 07:56 PM
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#341
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
So because Katz is rich he gets special treatment inside the BoG? He is not the wealthiest NHL owner, and his team is also not among the most valuable. In a room with 30 of his equal-stake-holding peers I don't see how or why he would receive any priority. It makes no sense.
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If we're talking about wealth, take a look at the Flames ownership group. Resource and wealth wise, I think they're far richer then Katz is, so you'd think if wealth gets influence the team in Edmonton would have been sent down to the AHL years ago.
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06-28-2017, 07:59 PM
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#342
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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I wish that Regier was still in the league so he could offer sheet the Oilers and exact some revenge for 2007.
Burke, the other 2007 participant for Lowe's pathetically desperate slogging for anyone to come to his mismanaged team, should sit on his hands.
However Draisital got connected at the hip with McDavid and tags along with the gravy train, collecting anywhere near the money being suggested, is staggering and going to make this agent very popular.
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06-28-2017, 07:59 PM
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#343
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I don't think so either, but I also expect that was pretty much a one-off. McDavid's coming-out season and the new arena crated a perfect pr storm, but novelties wear off in a hurry.
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I agree it was a one-off but it was a contributing factor to their success last season which to me is kind of annoying as I just don't understand how historic levels of futility has led to so many breaks and goodwill.
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06-28-2017, 08:02 PM
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#344
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Gaudfather
Remember in his first year the Oilers sent Draisaitl back to the CHL just before the 40 game mark so that year wouldn't count towards his UFA eligibility. They also didnt let him play for Germany in the World Jrs that year. Some contend that this is still a sore point in the Draisaitl camp and that the Oilers shouldn't expect much concession in this contract negotiation.
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Makes sense...they played hardball with him
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06-28-2017, 08:17 PM
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#345
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Brisbane
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Good news for the Oilers to get 8 years if true. Wow that is a big cap hit though and will really put them in trouble once Draisaitl is signed.
The Oilers are really paying the price for not developing anyone other than 1st round picks, wasting a year of Draisaitl's entry level contract, and having to fill holes with overpriced FAs. Starting next season they are going to have no depth at all and will need to play McDavid 30 minutes a night and Talbot 80 games a season to remain competitive.
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06-28-2017, 08:50 PM
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#346
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Franchise Player
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The Oilers cap issues following the 2017-18 season and more so after the 18-19 season are beyond gargantuan.
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06-28-2017, 10:11 PM
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#347
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Calgary
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I can't believe that Kris Russell was *this* close to not having an NHL job, and now the Oilers have locked him up for 4 years.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
re: McJesus- he should go for every cent he can. When the Flames were a one man show with Iginla, did he ever take a huge discount? He was a top paid player. $7 Mil was HUGe money! Don't think Edmonton fans had any sympathy for the Flames then, nor do I have sympathy for them now.
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06-28-2017, 10:23 PM
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#348
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Franchise Player
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That contract is freaking insane!! I don't give a hoot if he is the best player in the NHL. Then now I am hearing Leon Draisatl who had one good season so far is looking at $9M a season?? I am pretty sure Cam Talbot will be asking big money too in 2 years. So, if this contract talks happens Oilers will be paying 5 players $36M(McDavid, Draisatl, Lucic, Hopkins and Russell). Then you have to add Talbot and Larsson... that will handcuff them from getting some decent players. Oh well Chia thinks McDavid can do everything by himself anyways.
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06-28-2017, 10:50 PM
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#349
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maybe this has been raised before, but isnt anyone wondering if these 14 million then 13.5 million figures are being leaked by Chia & co so the public would shame McDavid and his Agent into lowering his asking price?
Nothing like a few thousand "OMGZ Connor!? why are u askin for so much $$? My kid luvz you!!" fan messages to guilt a decent guy like him into a better contract
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06-28-2017, 10:56 PM
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#350
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Pizza
maybe this has been raised before, but isnt anyone wondering if these 14 million then 13.5 million figures are being leaked by Chia & co so the public would shame McDavid and his Agent into lowering his asking price?
Nothing like a few thousand "OMGZ Connor!? why are u askin for so much $$? My kid luvz you!!" fan messages to guilt a decent guy like him into a better contract
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Why would they care, this isn't the 1950's where the players were working class hero's that lived in their communities and went to the bars and hung out with their fans.
This is big business, and a ongoing and never ending war between owners and players, and the money isolates players, sure they go see kids in hospitals and open malls and support local charities, money lets them do that. But these players do their best to isolate themselves from the fans. They don't read the papers, or go to message boards, if their name comes up on Sportscenter most of them laugh, realize that the reporters and commentators don't know anything and move on.
They really don't care what the fans think when it comes to making money.
So Oiler fans being mad about Connor getting everything he can. I can state easily and without hesitation that he and his agent don't give a flying fig what the fans think about what he made.
And at the end of the day, when its time to leave Edmonton, he'll leave without thinking about it if its in HIS best interests to leave.
13.25 million a year buys a lot of happiness and insulation.
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06-28-2017, 11:02 PM
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#351
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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It's also dumb to ever expect a player to take a discount to play for your snowflake team. It's nice when it happens, but pretty dumb to count on it.
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06-28-2017, 11:15 PM
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#352
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Join Date: Oct 2014
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With a $75MM cap in today's NHL if your top 11 players (6 forwards, 4 d-men, and starting goalie) take $55 million in cap (averaging $5MM) then you have $20 million to allocate to the remaining 12 guys on your roster (averaging $1.67 MM).
In Edmonton's situation if McDavid and Draisaitl take $22MM of the top tier, you then have $33MM to allocate to the remaining top nine players ($3.6MM average) which is about 30% below the norm. Next you have guys like Lucic and RNH with $6MM contracts - which means to make the math work you need to have other top tier caliber players making the same as your bottom tier guys. This is the sticky wicket that teams in situations like the Oilers face.
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06-28-2017, 11:21 PM
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#353
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
With a $75MM cap in today's NHL if your top 11 players (6 forwards, 4 d-men, and starting goalie) take $55 million in cap (averaging $5MM) then you have $20 million to allocate to the remaining 12 guys on your roster (averaging $1.67 MM).
In Edmonton's situation if McDavid and Draisaitl take $22MM of the top tier, you then have $33MM to allocate to the remaining top nine players ($3.6MM average) which is about 30% below the norm. Next you have guys like Lucic and RNH with $6MM contracts - which means to make the math work you need to have other top tier caliber players making the same as your bottom tier guys. This is the sticky wicket that teams in situations like the Oilers face.
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This is why Chiarelli locked up Klefbom (core D) at 4M for 7 years. We can debate whether he's good enough, but the logic is sound
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06-28-2017, 11:30 PM
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#354
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, ON
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Good on Connor for committing to a small market team for this duration. He could have had more for less years, but he committed himself to Edmonton (of all places). He was getting top money in NHL anywhere.
I look forward to hating him for 8 years.
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06-28-2017, 11:31 PM
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#355
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Right behind you.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
This is why Chiarelli locked up Klefbom (core D) at 4M for 7 years. We can debate whether he's good enough, but the logic is sound
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Correct - and why in the Flames case, a contract like Hamonic's with a $3.8MM AAV is so attractive.
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06-28-2017, 11:37 PM
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#356
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
From a dollars perspective it's a bargain. McDavid will easily generate that sort of revenue for Katz. It may handcuff the team a bit in terms of perennially being a top end contender. But the choice is don't pay him that kind of money...or trade him for magic beans that you hope might eventually result in a short window to win. That's a no brainer, you keep McDavid and any time he gets you to the playoffs you potentially have the best player in the series.
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Did you see him in the playoffs?
Try 5th or 6th best.
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06-28-2017, 11:47 PM
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#357
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Franchise Player
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Is Draistl eligible to get offer sheeted this year or next year?
i'd be interested to see how that plays out... is Leon happy to play second fiddle to McDavid at 8 million (which is what the rumors are for the Oilers offer)?
Seems like he be smart to see what he can get on the open market...
I'm a little surprised if McDavid's agent sold him on 8 years though... seems like the smart play would have been to do a 7 year contract so he can claw back a UFA year...
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06-28-2017, 11:54 PM
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#358
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
Is Draistl eligible to get offer sheeted this year or next year?
i'd be interested to see how that plays out... is Leon happy to play second fiddle to McDavid at 8 million (which is what the rumors are for the Oilers offer)?
Seems like he be smart to see what he can get on the open market...
I'm a little surprised if McDavid's agent sold him on 8 years though... seems like the smart play would have been to do a 7 year contract so he can claw back a UFA year...
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He can be offer sheeted this year, but the cost would likely be 2 firsts, a send and a third ($7.8-9.8M). Or four firsts ($9.8M+)
Anything less that 7.8 would be matched.
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06-29-2017, 12:04 AM
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#359
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
This contract is a steal for the Oilers. McDavid had all the leverage and could have had a lot more.
I don't see Draisaitl getting much more than Tarasenko
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As I understand it, McDavid only could have asked for 1.75M more... so not really a steal.
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06-29-2017, 12:25 AM
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#360
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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'Member when we were all concerned/pissed at the time it was taking to ink Gaudreau to an extension? Thank heavens Treliving actually knows how to negotiate and didn't hand him a blank contract. Charelli is a joke.
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