Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-28-2017, 05:08 PM   #321
simonsays
Powerplay Quarterback
 
simonsays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Exp:
Default

I just think it's great that the team that was most responsible for killing the 2nd contract early into the salary cap era is feeling the pinch from these 2nd contracts. McDavid is a great player, and if we had a guy like that I wouldn't be too upset about having to pay him. But these speculations on Draisaitl are crazy. I think he'd be overpaid at 8, and that's not a knock, it's just that one season of solid production and one season of star level production probably shouldn't get you into the top 20 contracts in the NHL.

I'd love to be in the room when Chiarelli explains to Lowe why Drai is getting paid like a superstar. Something something Thomas Vanek.
simonsays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 05:09 PM   #322
Sylvanfan
Appealing my suspension
 
Sylvanfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
Exp:
Default

From a dollars perspective it's a bargain. McDavid will easily generate that sort of revenue for Katz. It may handcuff the team a bit in terms of perennially being a top end contender. But the choice is don't pay him that kind of money...or trade him for magic beans that you hope might eventually result in a short window to win. That's a no brainer, you keep McDavid and any time he gets you to the playoffs you potentially have the best player in the series.
__________________
"Some guys like old balls"
Patriots QB Tom Brady
Sylvanfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 05:10 PM   #323
btimbit
Franchise Player
 
btimbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
Exp:
Default

I'd call it a good deal if Chiarelli had a reputation of good cap management.
btimbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 05:16 PM   #324
Gaudfather
Franchise Player
 
Gaudfather's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Right behind you.
Exp:
Default

Remember in his first year the Oilers sent Draisaitl back to the CHL just before the 40 game mark so that year wouldn't count towards his UFA eligibility. They also didnt let him play for Germany in the World Jrs that year. Some contend that this is still a sore point in the Draisaitl camp and that the Oilers shouldn't expect much concession in this contract negotiation.
Gaudfather is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Gaudfather For This Useful Post:
Old 06-28-2017, 05:31 PM   #325
Dion
Not a casual user
 
Dion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
Exp:
Default

This will test the Oilers scouting department big time. Dri will be getting a nice raise that will create salary cap hell for the Oilers. To be successful the team will have churn out the bottom 6 forwards on a regular basis with players making under and little over a million a season. No more relying on high first round or lottery picks

Pittsburgh has done it the past 2 years and it got them back to back Cups. Chicago has tried to do the same thing and this year it didn't pan out.

Guess will see what kind of manager Chia and his scouting staff are.
__________________
Dion is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Dion For This Useful Post:
Old 06-28-2017, 05:33 PM   #326
Corral
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Stampede Grounds
Exp:
Default

[QUOTE=CaptainCrunch;6308728]If the NHL wanted to make as much money from Connor, they would have grabbed Edmonton's ping pong ball. Yelled "Nope" and slapped a Toronto or New York Ranger sticker on it and slam dunked it back into the machine in a Darrly Dawkins like manner

/QUOTE]

I think you are under-estimating the influence Darryl Katz has at the NHL Board of Governors and with Bettman. He's very wealthy and thus his interests and the well-being of his team are very important in that group.

The fact that many here still think NHL hockey is more a game than a business, is mind-boggling.
Corral is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 05:53 PM   #327
Realistic
Crash and Bang Winger
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dion View Post
This will test the Oilers scouting department big time. Dri will be getting a nice raise that will create salary cap hell for the Oilers. To be successful the team will have churn out the bottom 6 forwards on a regular basis with players making under and little over a million a season. No more relying on high first round or lottery picks
They have done so well the last 11 years!
Realistic is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Realistic For This Useful Post:
Old 06-28-2017, 05:57 PM   #328
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default McDavid signs extension: 8 years, 13.25M per.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Corral View Post
I think you are under-estimating the influence Darryl Katz has at the NHL Board of Governors and with Bettman. He's very wealthy and thus his interests and the well-being of his team are very important in that group.

The fact that many here still think NHL hockey is more a game than a business, is mind-boggling.

So because Katz is rich he gets special treatment inside the BoG? He is not the wealthiest NHL owner, and his team is also not among the most valuable. In a room with 30 of his equal-stake-holding peers I don't see how or why he would receive any priority. It makes no sense.
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project

Last edited by Textcritic; 06-28-2017 at 06:01 PM.
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Textcritic For This Useful Post:
Old 06-28-2017, 06:16 PM   #329
Azhouse
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Azhouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Exp:
Default

A (deluded Oiler fan) buddy of mine and I have a bet. I said McDinglenuts $12M + $8M for the German. He said 10 + 6. He gave me the "Connor wants to take a pay cut to win a cup" speech. He went on to tell me that after the "run" Connor has really warmed to Edmonton. I am going to win.
Azhouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 06:16 PM   #330
RougeUnderoos
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Corral View Post
I think you are under-estimating the influence Darryl Katz has at the NHL Board of Governors and with Bettman. He's very wealthy and thus his interests and the well-being of his team are very important in that group.

The fact that many here still think NHL hockey is more a game than a business, is mind-boggling.

What's mind-boggling is that anyone believes that 30 NHL owners (and the league itself) are going to kowtow to and bend the rules for the guy who owns the Oilers. So he can win. And they can't.

It is a business, and nothing could be worse for business than to make it crooked, just to benefit a team most Americans couldn't find on a map.
__________________

RougeUnderoos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 06:29 PM   #331
FFFLife
Backup Goalie
 
FFFLife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: YYC
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Realistic View Post
They have done so well the last 11 years!
Cmon, be Realistic... Oh wait... Spot on!
FFFLife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 06:33 PM   #332
getbak
Franchise Player
 
getbak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Corral View Post
I think you are under-estimating the influence Darryl Katz has at the NHL Board of Governors and with Bettman. He's very wealthy and thus his interests and the well-being of his team are very important in that group.

The fact that many here still think NHL hockey is more a game than a business, is mind-boggling.
All NHL owners are very wealthy. No one on the NHL Board of Governors is bowing to the will of drug-dealing Bono.
__________________
Turn up the good, turn down the suck!
getbak is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to getbak For This Useful Post:
Old 06-28-2017, 06:40 PM   #333
dino7c
Franchise Player
 
dino7c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Exp:
Default

So many are missing the point entirely...we aren't laughing at the Oilers because it's a bad deal...we are laughing because anyone with a brain knew it would be this high. Many Oiler fans have been delusional about the contract and honestly with the moves they have made in the last year so has their management.
__________________
GFG
dino7c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 06:41 PM   #334
IrishSpring2013
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Exp:
Default

i dont get the draisaitl numbers at all.. how the heck is that guy worth that much... yes he had a dynamite season but he didn't break 30 goals and the flames tied up a guy who had one more point then leon the year before for less then 7...

Is this another case of the oilers anointing players a star or superstar before they actually have to prove it?

they killed the 2nd contract years ago... why are they ignoring the several RFA years leon has to bring that average number WAY down... yes he can make nine in the ufa years.. but not in his restricted ones.. it's so puzzling.. is chai just afraid to negotiate for fear of upsetting him? soft negotiator.. soft!

he shoudl be making monahan/gaudreau money.. RFA money.. not UFA money. just because you call him malkin doesn't mean he is or should be paid like him now... what an organization...
IrishSpring2013 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 06:44 PM   #335
chemgear
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azhouse View Post
A (deluded Oiler fan) buddy of mine and I have a bet. I said McDinglenuts $12M + $8M for the German. He said 10 + 6. He gave me the "Connor wants to take a pay cut to win a cup" speech. He went on to tell me that after the "run" Connor has really warmed to Edmonton. I am going to win.
You need to find better buddies. Though at least you're making money off of them.
chemgear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 06:50 PM   #336
EldrickOnIce
Franchise Player
 
EldrickOnIce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
Exp:
Default

Haha. My contacts in Edmonton now say that the pitchforks are out for Draisaitl. That he is a Judas, betraying the great people of Edmonton.
Good times

Last edited by EldrickOnIce; 06-28-2017 at 06:53 PM.
EldrickOnIce is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to EldrickOnIce For This Useful Post:
Old 06-28-2017, 06:56 PM   #337
Realistic
Crash and Bang Winger
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c View Post
So many are missing the point entirely...we aren't laughing at the Oilers because it's a bad deal...we are laughing because anyone with a brain knew it would be this high. Many Oiler fans have been delusional about the contract and honestly with the moves they have made in the last year so has their management.
That's what makes this so awesome! Coiler fans saying that the Flames suck and that last season was a one season wonder and that they are going to win 10 Stanley Cups in a row with McJesus and compan.

Have you ever looked at the hfboard forum? Most of the usernames start with Mc, if they showed pictures of the actual posters, I bet they all have mullets and are missing a few teeth.
Realistic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 06:56 PM   #338
Hugh Jahrmes
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Hugh Jahrmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce View Post
Haha. My contacts in Edmonton now say that the pitchforks are out for Draisaitl. That he is a Judas, betraying the great people of Edmonton.
Good times


I love how the onus is on guys like McDavid and Draisaitl to suck it up for the greater good.. So that the team can give Kris Russell $16M and wait for Pouliots numbers to catch up to his predicted potential.
e=ng
__________________
Long time listener, first time caller.
Hugh Jahrmes is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Hugh Jahrmes For This Useful Post:
Old 06-28-2017, 07:48 PM   #339
Erick Estrada
Franchise Player
 
Erick Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic View Post
So because Katz is rich he gets special treatment inside the BoG? He is not the wealthiest NHL owner, and his team is also not among the most valuable. In a room with 30 of his equal-stake-holding peers I don't see how or why he would receive any priority. It makes no sense.
I don't think it was coincidence that the opening season of his new arena was played under what has to be the most favorable home schedule a western Canadian team has ever had. Maybe the league does this for all teams opening a new arena but if that's not special treatment I don't know what more a team could ask for.
Erick Estrada is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2017, 07:52 PM   #340
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada View Post
I don't think it was coincidence that the opening season of his new arena was played under what has to be the most favorable home schedule a western Canadian team has ever had.

I don't think so either, but I also expect that was pretty much a one-off. McDavid's coming-out season and the new arena crated a perfect pr storm, but novelties wear off in a hurry.
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:18 AM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy