[Trade] Flames get Travis Hamonic + 4th for a 1st and 2x2nds

[indes]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If you like this trade in the basis that Flames will recoup the lost picks, well I just don't think that's realistic. The Flames were buyers at the deadline this year with a playoff bubble team and I just don't see the mentality changing unless the team horribly under performs. In which case we are probably looking at a new management team who will discuss the lack of picks.

Now I will get behind the move as I love that Treliving is trying to ice the most competitive team possible and at end of the day, I'm a fan of the game on the ice. But the acquisition cost was high and the lack of high picks will have a lasting impact on the organization. You just have to hope we didn't go all in on a mediocre hand.

It's definitely a fair sentiment, I would say we'll see the impact of not having having those picks 4-6 years down the road. With most of our core being in their early 20s we should have a fairly similar line up to what we see now. I guess it comes down to if we're good enough to compete with this core.

It's definitely a big jump from a regular influx of talent to being happy with what we have now. I hope it pays off!

[megatron]

Late to the party as well, and initially I thought it was an over payment, but I was comparing it to the Hamilton trade which was flat out robbery.

The cost was expensive but there are multiple factors that have been mentioned:

- Fits the age group
- Great contract for the next 3 years (that will be easily movable if needed to recoup picks)
- Gives Brodie a legit partner that he doesn't have to carry around (hopefully we see the Brodie of old next season)
- Gives the Flames 2 legit top pairings that will be on the ice from 40-50 minutes a night
- Character guy who's team first

I'm good with Stone being the #5 as well as long as the contract demands aren't excessive. Hopefully with Andersson/Kulak grabbing the #6 (Bart as #7).

I also have memories of the day we got JayBo and I'm a little jaded, but there's no Brent Sutter and we have much more youth and scoring prowess.

In Brad we Trust.

[devo22]

I am usually never on HF, but I went over and read the Hamonic trade yesterday. A few things there:

- I am amazed how many deluded people over there still think Burke is our GM, and who also laugh at people who correct them. Crazy.
- I like draft picks too ... a lot. But it's crazy how most users overvalue them over there. It's like some fans don't know that rebuilds eventually have to end and that teams should at some point switch into win mode.
- The notion that the cupboards are bare is hilarious. Especially on D ... the fact that the Flames now have one of the best top 4s in the whole league and also have Valimaki, Fox, Andersson and Kylington in the system makes me feel giddy. Bare cupboards my arse.

That Oilers article is top notch, by the way. Would read again.

[Sample00]

Not sure how to embed a video...

but might we see this from Hamonic on McDavid in the years to come?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGBam_rB1Wg

[sureLoss]

The history of the pick that was used by the Islanders to draft Hamonic is really interesting:

Hamonic was drafted 53rd OA in the 2008 draft. The pick was originally the 2nd round pick of the Ducks.

The pick was traded to the Oilers as part of the Pronger to Anaheim trade after he demanded a trade out of Edmonton.

In a sperate deal the Oilers had sent their 3rd round pick in 2008 and Marc Andre Bergeron to the Islanders for Grebeshkov.

However, the Oilers then traded Anaheim's 2008 2nd round pick to the Islanders to re-acquire their 2008 3rd round pick (1 for 1 trade). Why? Because they needed that pick back to offersheet Dustin Penner. Offer sheets require the team who made the offer sheet to have their original picks.

So, Pronger leaving, Grebeshkov, MAB, and Penner offer sheets all associated with the pick.

Here is to hoping that Hamonic will haunt the Oilers like the pick does.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm naturally pessimistic with these trades. I have to say I'm not sold on this one, but I'm keeping an open mind. The Hamilton trade was a case in point where I felt the cost was too high and now I think he's arguably our best defenseman.

If the Flames do well the next two years, it helps not only the return, but the cost. A 27th overall pick is a vastly different pick from a 5th overall. You need to gamble to get better, and I know Treliving is smarter than me, but we have no picks in the first 3 rounds next year. That won't hurt next year, the year after, or maybe even the year after that, but it will thin the replacements at some point. If the Flames do well enough that the picks are in the late 20's, this trade is a steal. If they finish bottom 10 and draft high it's really not worth it IMO.

If the Flames do well after this trade then it worked, if they do poorly then it didn't work!!

[carom]

Originally Posted by Racki

I apologize if this has already been posted. It's just too good not too share.

https://oilonwhyte.com/2017/06/24/ed...ic-no-problem/

did this come to anyone else's mind?

[Vox]

Originally Posted by Racki

I apologize if this has already been posted. It's just too good not too share.

https://oilonwhyte.com/2017/06/24/ed...ic-no-problem/

Originally Posted by carom

did this come to anyone else's mind?

Close. I was thinking more along the lines that "Orange is the new Oilers..."

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The history of the pick that was used by the Islanders to draft Hamonic is really interesting:

Hamonic was drafted 53rd OA in the 2008 draft. The pick was originally the 2nd round pick of the Ducks.

The pick was traded to the Oilers as part of the Pronger to Anaheim trade after he demanded a trade out of Edmonton.

In a sperate deal the Oilers had sent their 3rd round pick in 2008 and Marc Andre Bergeron to the Islanders for Grebeshkov.

However, the Oilers then traded Anaheim's 2008 2nd round pick to the Islanders to re-acquire their 2008 3rd round pick (1 for 1 trade). Why? Because they needed that pick back to offersheet Dustin Penner. Offer sheets require the team who made the offer sheet to have their original picks.

So, Pronger leaving, Grebeshkov, MAB, and Penner offer sheets all associated with the pick.

Here is to hoping that Hamonic will haunt the Oilers like the pick does.

You must be very bored.

[Roof-Daddy]

Hopefully we can get Stone signed to a 3 year deal. Then him, TJ and Hammer all go UFA at the same time at 30 years old. Extend the one you want to keep the most and hopefully have the stable of D prospects ready to take bigger roles.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

You say that as if Stone has even the slightest possibility of being in TJ Brodie's league, much less Hamilton's.

I don't get why people are so all over re-signing Stone. Sure, do it if it's a fair price, but everyone seems to think it'll be the end of the world if they don't pull it off. Stone just isn't all that good. He's fine. He can be replaced if he wants a bunch of money. Don't lose sleep over it.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sample00

Not sure how to embed a video...

but might we see this from Hamonic on McDavid in the years to come?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGBam_rB1Wg

That man will always hold a special place in flames fans' hearts for his treatment of the oilers... especially Hemsky. Always thought it was hilarious that they couldn't figure it out... don't try to cut wide around Reggie. The man pretty much single-handily turned Hemsky from a legit top line ppg winger into a third line player.

Here's hoping the same thing can be done to the oilers of today. Welcome aboard Hamonic! Great trade!


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You say that as if Stone has even the slightest possibility of being in TJ Brodie's league, much less Hamilton's.

I don't get why people are so all over re-signing Stone. Sure, do it if it's a fair price, but everyone seems to think it'll be the end of the world if they don't pull it off. Stone just isn't all that good. He's fine. He can be replaced if he wants a bunch of money. Don't lose sleep over it.

Hammer = Hamonic not Hamilton

Clearly Stone wouldn't be the guy you'd keep after 3 years, it'd be between Brodie and Hamonic and would depend not only on their play and their desire to stay in CGY but also on which prospects step up the most.

Also I don't plan on losing any sleep over Stone now, but having that extra depth for the 3 years that this top 4 D core will be together would be a pretty big bonus, and if he can be brought back for $3.5 million or less it won't be a cap hindrance either.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Ah, got it.

Stone just shouldn't impact on whether you keep Hamonic or Brodie, he's in a totally different category. 3.5M is probably too much to pay for Stone. 3 or less could be stomached but it still wouldn't be a great deal or anything.

I think people here overrate him. He gives up a lot of shots. You don't lose much by putting Kulak in instead and that money is better spent up front.

[PepsiFree]

3.5 million should be the maximum cost of our entire bottom pairing, not just one player.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You say that as if Stone has even the slightest possibility of being in TJ Brodie's league, much less Hamilton's.

I don't get why people are so all over re-signing Stone. Sure, do it if it's a fair price, but everyone seems to think it'll be the end of the world if they don't pull it off. Stone just isn't all that good. He's fine. He can be replaced if he wants a bunch of money. Don't lose sleep over it.

or perhaps.. and bear with me.. others like stone more then u do..?
dont see anyone saying anything about the end of the world.. great addition on ur part i must say...

stone was injured, had a rough year.. but was real good in cgy once he got here.. hed be an excellent compliment to our blueline.. 27 years old.. fits right in.. defence is always valuable... u arent going to get many guys who can play top four as well as in cause of injures like stone can.. and he can be signed without giving up anything at this point...

2016-2017 vs edmonton opening night
Giordano - Wideman
Brodie - Engelland
Grosman - Hamilton

2017-2018
Giordano Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
extra - Matt Barkowski

Tyler Wotherspoon, Rasmus Andersson, Oliver Kylington

id say its night and day.. but its more night and some day no one has ever heard of

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Ah, got it.

Stone just shouldn't impact on whether you keep Hamonic or Brodie, he's in a totally different category. 3.5M is probably too much to pay for Stone. 3 or less could be stomached but it still wouldn't be a great deal or anything.

I think people here overrate him. He gives up a lot of shots. You don't lose much by putting Kulak in instead and that money is better spent up front.

Fair enough.

Although, Stone would be brought back to be 3rd pairing RHD, so it's not really a choice between him or Kulak as Gulutzan is in favor of lefty/righty pairings.

3rd pair RHD options right now are Stone (UFA), Andersson or aome other UFA/trade acquisition.

3rd pair LHD options right now are Kulak (RFA), Wotherspoon (RFA), Kylington or Bartkowski

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Ugh no Bartkowski please.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

3.5 million should be the maximum cost of our entire bottom pairing, not just one player.

I think you're probably right, especially when they have two top pairings, if not in outright quality then at least in terms of minute eating capabilities. The third pairing should be playing very little. It's a perfect situation to have a PP specialist on there.

On the other hand, the thing about having that extra guy who can play top 4 in a pinch is that you know if they go into opening night with the best top 4 in the league someone's getting hurt in game 3. It's just depth. But really, I think you just let training camp play out and see who takes those two spots. If Kylington's ready, amazing (I doubt he is though).

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

3.5 million should be the maximum cost of our entire bottom pairing, not just one player.

$3.5 million would put our entire D core (including a 7th) at around $26 million. A tad high, but it wouldn't hold this team back IMO.

[dash_pinched]

Dimitri Filipovic with a good write-up on the Hamonic trade and at the same time is puzzled by the Eberle trade (and the low return).

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/l...wer-structure/